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welcome back to phdo double G Saturday

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on calling all beings I'm your host DJ

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along with my co-conspirator of fun

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interesting and talk about the new

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phenomenon and that's money Nathan

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what's up everybody man it's Hollywood

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Squares up in here it's good to see

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everyone

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[Laughter]

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Jay King playing Paul Lind in the center

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oh man

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and we got uh as at a study of uaps the

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host of Deb's dad at Dojo that is my

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all right

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I have to say I'm excited because it's

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spring break and I'm going to be going

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to the Big Apple soon

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um let me see I don't know if Matt is

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coming today our Bigfoot guy really

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wanted Jay and Kelly to meet Matt our

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new cabbie uh the host of Bigfoot

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Crossroads Matt Knapp he's amazing uh

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like the rest of these cabbies but you

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know what we did get Leah Prime in the

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house what's up home girl newly engaged

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yes newly engaged it's a Mr Prime

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yes I know got to get the Silicon ring

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because we're waiting on the real deal

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that's being made right now

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um yep glad to be here DJ who needs

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coffee when I've got you on a Saturday

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morning

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ma'am I'm here for you you know this

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um okay and also we decided since Frank

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couldn't be here we had to get some

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representation from the UK he's there

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watching the Flanders what is it it's

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it's sort of like the Tour de Flanders

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uh bicycle race uh the man from

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Yorkshire my man Davey Johnston the host

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tell him to name your show Davey the

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mechanism

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which is my UFO one which will be out

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shortly we've recorded our first few

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episodes they're just in the mix and

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also the host of Shifting Gears which is

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where I talk to people who have had

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let's say transformational change events

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happening in their life much like myself

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Dave yeah like for me we gotta talk man

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absolutely and it's not just about

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wearing silicon Rings no no there's this

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this is just the the end result of that

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you see why I brought Davion okay we

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have a man that everybody in ufology no

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and love because he's an experiencer

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he's an original gangster in this

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phenomenon and multiple phenomenon some

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of which I can't mention right now

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because you don't told me not to and

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this is uh this is like um you know how

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like Joe Rogan likes to do those cold

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baths in the morning and he just takes a

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big cold dug it's just like taking a big

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cold dunk uh first thing in the morning

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uh it's great to be here uh thanks for

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having me uh it's an honor and a

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pleasure and if anybody goes to my

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Facebook you'll also see videos of me

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doing those those plunges uh in the tub

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and also in Big Bear in some stream that

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was I think colder than anything I've

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been in uh

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but it is awesome uh we also so this is

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a an inquiry of anomalous experiences

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and the phenomenon Jay is the

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co-conspirator in that along with James

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eindoli and of course we have here uh

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the host of the Ohio Heritage UFO

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conference is that what we're calling it

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host a UFO Rabbit Hole How You Like Me

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Now but uh but before we get to that

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Nathan let's talk about an inquiry of uh

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into anomalous experiences in the

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phenomenon quite a mouthful that will uh

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chess uh test your sort of polysyllabic

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ability go ahead man exactly exactly all

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right so this is the third inquire uh

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experience and it is an experience I

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mean if you haven't been to the virtual

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of the lives session you're missing out

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it's incredible uh Jay I wonder if you

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could talk us through who's going to be

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there uh because it seems like

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everyone's going to be there I'm gonna

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put up the little little uh promo here

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on the screen maybe you can walk us

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through who's in attendance this time

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yeah and you grab the the newest one

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that's great and so we just announced

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yesterday that um Brandon fugle will be

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joining us which is awesome uh of course

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Brandon fugel the owner of Skinwalker

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Ranch and coep of uh um The Secret of

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Skinwalker on history and and uh and

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that's just because it just wildly

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town doing History Channel stuff and so

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and he was interested in the conference

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so he's going to be doing he's going to

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be doing a fireside chat conversation

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with Leslie Kane which is very cool uh

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um Derek Pitts who's the chief

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astronomer of the Franklin Institute in

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Philadelphia he's kind of recently come

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out as somebody that's that's interested

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in UAP and the phenomena uh he was a

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talking head on Leslie's new show UFOs

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investigating the unknown and that's

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one is that we actually have four four

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recent show that that was on History

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Channel and you can find through Nat Geo

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and Hulu and soon to be Disney plus

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UFO's investigating man so we've got

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Ryan Graves of the merged podcast

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um uh former uh former Navy uh that kind

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of was the first active active duty Navy

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person to be talking about recent events

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um oh do you hear the cops coming for me

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yeah okay okay all right somebody

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somebody filled some time for like 10

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seconds you know what I'm actually

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moving out of Jersey City in like three

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weeks and so nobody's gonna have to deal

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with the cops anymore I'm moving to like

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a nice College shop so like uh okay so

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we've got Ryan Graves and then uh James

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Fox also appeared on UFOs investigating

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the unknown of course he did the recent

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movie moment of contact on the Virginia

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Brazil case he's the director of the

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phenomenon and then of course Leslie

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Kane herself who's a Consulting producer

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and kind of the the main narrator on

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that show then we also have Elizabeth

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Carone who's a near-death experiencer uh

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she got hit by lightning in the parking

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lot of her synagogue and um and it was a

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complete life-changing experience for

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um she started having precognitive

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dreams that she was able to to uh

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document by sending herself emails so it

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would have a time date stamp on it cool

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and um yeah and so famously you remember

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the Sully crash when that guy had to

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like land a plane in the river here in

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the Hudson River here in New York City

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she actually she had a precognitive

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dream about that the day before and and

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emailed it to herself and like even like

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she had like the airline and like flying

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into the river and the whole dang thing

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it's crazy so anyway God yeah and so

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after you know a lot of people have

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precognitive dreams but they don't think

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to document them in a way that you know

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sending themselves mail and so um and so

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she actually ended up writing a book

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called changed in a Flash with Jeff

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kreypel which is kind of a big deal

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because yeah and and Jeff of course is

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one of the best living Authors Best

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living writers uh on these topics and so

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you know any very rarely co-writes with

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anybody and so that kind of speaks to

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um how seriously he takes her account

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and she's a very moving speaker so it'll

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be great to have her there and we've

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also got Peter lavender who um who of

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course uh co-wrote the secret machines

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books with Tom Delong godsman and the

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upcoming War which should be coming out

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later this year it sounds like and uh he

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is also for many many years he's been

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writing on mystery schools esoteric

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knowledge the occult and related topics

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and so he's a really unique voice

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because you know speaking about uh he's

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he's talked a lot about ufology and has

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like a a pretty good Mastery of that

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field but he also likes to relate it to

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these kind of systems of hidden

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knowledge that have been going on for

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hundreds of years and I think he's going

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to bring a lot to the table and he very

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rarely does any conference appearances

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you can barely get him onto a podcast

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and so James and I felt like it was like

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a huge win to be able to convince Peter

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to come up from Florida

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um and then we've got uh Kurt j mungle a

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series of everything so

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um and Kurt is actually going to be

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doing a conversation with James Fox and

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Leslie Kane so Leslie Kane's going to be

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kind of doing two fireside chat

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conversations one with Brandon fugle and

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another was James Fox and Kurt jaimungal

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um so it's going to be it's going to be

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a wild party there's only there's only

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room for 110 people in the room the

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in-person tickets are already sold out

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and we have a limited amount for the

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live stream there's 500 and that's

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because uh we want to have like a

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quality experience for people and we and

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I I personally hate it when you go to to

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a live chat and there's like a thousand

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people there and like and it just looks

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like a blur and like no nobody can be

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heard you can't focus on anything and so

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we limited tickets to that and uh we

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hope to see you there it'll be awesome

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dude Amen brother I I'll tell you what

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I'm I'm still thinking about Elizabeth

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krone's experience man we got to get her

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I want to hear all about that man get

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get both you and her on that one

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that'd be fun that'd be so fun she's

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really cool yeah um we got to go with

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Kelly though because time is short we

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only have three minutes until uh Dr

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espion hargens is here so um and so I

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hate to hurry up we should have like

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plugged in a little bit more time but

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Kelly could you please tell us about the

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Ohio

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because I've got a whole other month

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left to bug you guys about this

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conference and you know that I will be

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on Twitter it's Kelly again telling you

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about the Ohio UFO Heritage conference

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so get used to that

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um you can see here we have a lovely

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lineup of speakers I am so stoked about

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this conference if I wasn't involved

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with this conference I'd be stoked to go

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um we have James Fox he's going to

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actually be doing a screening of moment

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of contact

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UM obviously Diana Walsh baselka Bryce

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Sable Dr Michael Masters Micah Hanks EXO

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academian

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um Jay Christopher King we know that guy

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uh Phil Ford and JF Bartel for nude

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studies I mean it's going to be a great

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lineup this is the first year that we're

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doing this event's first time doing this

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um so you know we're really excited

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about just putting on the best event

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that we can and hopefully making this

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something annual we're really excited

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about bringing this to Wright-Patterson

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Air Force Base it's such a uh Lynch pin

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kind of location in terms of the mystery

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of the UF of phenomenon in our our

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history with it especially in the last

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100 years

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um so really excited about this

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conference and I hope a bunch of people

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will come out and join us it's going to

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be really special

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yeah I might I might actually come out

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I'm gonna try to work on coming out for

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that one

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um while Roswell we're talking about

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Roswell in the pre-show and I've done

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hours and hours of touch and go Landings

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at Trump at Roswell and and been to the

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town but Wright-Patterson I think I

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bought a sound bar in the BX and left so

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it'd be cool to come there

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um so yeah this sounds like a phenomenal

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event those of you who are planning on

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attending will probably see Nathan there

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uh or you will see Nathan there that's a

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guarantee and more than likely you'll

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see me there as well and who knows what

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kind of hijinks that we'll be getting up

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to there so so uh with that I want to

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thank you guys for

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um for coming and promoing we'll we'll

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hit it up again I know um Jays is uh

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next week next weekend right next week

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yeah next weekend who here's going dad I

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like I'm going I'm planning on being

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there I'll be there that's right yeah I

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can't make this one spring break for me

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I'm so excited did I'm so looking

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forward to seeing you guys there and

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Nathan I'll see you in Ohio you will man

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and DJ it sounds like dogs are waiting

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it's awesome absolutely yeah I'm looking

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forward to this so thank you uh folks

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we'll we'll promo again we're not gonna

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have another cab uh I don't think until

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after spring break unless I can organize

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something ad hoc uh where

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um we're gonna talk about

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um and investigate a Bigfoot

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investigation that Matt went on in Paris

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Texas that is absolutely bizarre and

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freaky and there's a lot of woo in there

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and we really need some some Minds to

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kind of churn through this and see if we

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can because Matt hasn't been able to

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unravel it

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um I mean down to handwriting analysis

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and things like that so so uh we may

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organize one of those in between now and

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then but otherwise

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um it'll be uh we'll we will promo yours

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uh Kelly because we'll we'll cab we'll

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be back when Nathan comes back so thank

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you very much guys we'll see you around

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all right thank you friends say hi to

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all right uh this gentleman is backstage

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like I said it's it's p it's a p h d o

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double g month on cab uh so we're very

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excited to uh have this gentleman come

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in uh he is the dean of integral

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education and integral noetic Sciences

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program and the director of the

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California Institute of human science so

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put your hands together for Dr Sean

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can I get an amen for Dr Sean hey man

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welcome good morning happy Saturday

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welcome sir can we hear you oh you're on

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oh he's muted

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I'm so glad it wasn't true all right

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there we go that was awesome DJ

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um

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thank you sir it you know it doesn't

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matter if you're muted because your hair

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looks great and that always gets me

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going in the morning because for you

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know first it's Nathan and then you even

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Davey Davey's got great hair I've

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visited with him in England a couple of

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times

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um so you do you know everybody here

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that's on the panel Leah also has great

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hair DJ thank you

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us because I just got off a UFO you know

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and so what can you do

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I just slow down and pushed you out

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right that's right

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hair gel on some of these intelligences

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but but uh if if anyone here that you

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haven't met lets everybody sort of just

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enter intro themselves real quick and

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then I'll go with the first question

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which of course is going to be about

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potato chips but go ahead Nathan thanks

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DJ Sean welcome great to have you with

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us uh so I'm one of the co-hosts here

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calling all beings also a co-host on

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liminal frames with my good friend

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Darren Excel academian who I believe you

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know yeah it's great to uh to speak with

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you really really happy to have you with

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us this morning and uh we're gonna get

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into it man I'm really excited about

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this so uh I know we've got some big

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hitter questions coming your way so I

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um I'm Leah Prime co-host here I'm

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calling out beings and who is the

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invisible night school on Wednesday

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evenings

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um I am somewhat mischaracterized as a

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skeptic that's why I always put in I'm a

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bit more woo than I appear

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um look I saw you speak at the October

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event in New York was really Blown Away

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by your presentation

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um have very closely followed the work

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you've done around EXO studies

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um our wild Cosmos all that work and

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then I also have a forthcoming

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independent show version zero which

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should be coming out in the next keep

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saying the next six to eight weeks but

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life got a little weird but now it might

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actually be the next six to eight weeks

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did we name it yeah version zero whoa

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yes I'm talking with Frontier and

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Pioneer thinkers across technology AI

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psychedelics Consciousness and of course

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UFOs congratulations that's awesome

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thank you sir that joint will be on the

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calling all beings network is what we're

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talking about Professor

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um and next from Yorkshire England

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by way of Flanders go ahead

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hi Sean I'm David Johnston I'm as you

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can tell by the accent over the other

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side of the pond in the UK I'm normally

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budget in the UK but I'm currently in

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Belgium in Flanders to watch some cycle

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racing I am the co-host of the mechanism

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podcast with the wonderful UK UAP Ash

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and for my sins I am also a cycling

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coach a coach and a yoga teacher and I'm

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incredibly privileged to be able to

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co-host there with my uh super cabby

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family awesome nice to connect Davey and

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Original Gangster right here uh Debs uh

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she hosts a show called Deb's data Dojo

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go ahead ma'am hi I met you in New York

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I was the person running around on the

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stage all right yeah I was the one that

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everyone was like what is that lady

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doing anywho

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um and I also work with the UAP medical

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Coalition I'm obviously a member of cab

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my cab fam and um yes I do it's out of

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dojo and I am a mental health

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practitioner in the other side of my

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life yeah

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see you can see why I feel uh barely you

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know mostly inept around this kind of a

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group right here Sean

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um so you know being at you know before

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we get into uh what we're going to

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discuss today since you know Dr [\h__\h]

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your colleague was sort of on the fence

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about potato chips we have to ask you

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are you the type of guy that's going to

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have sort of a kettle chip you know a

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lightly salted or you somebody that

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needs a flavored potato chip a pringle

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what is your potato chip favor

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I'm pretty

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completely in love with potato chips so

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it doesn't really matter pretty much any

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kind I I like all shapes flavor sizes

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like chips are God

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so where so Nathan for data purposes we

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have a trend where these phds are Omni

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chip they're like Bigfoot omnivore

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go leaves they'll go berries they'll go

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meat right these guys don't have a

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chip

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all right so we'll we'll contact another

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one another former cab guest Dr Gary

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Nolan with this data and see if there's

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anything we can extract of interest in

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the phenomenon and with a a poly chip

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preferences the basal ganglia is

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absolutely indicated in you know these

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chip preferences so we got to get a

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clear sense of what's going on yes

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there's a correlation here so we'll you

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know we'll we'll get into that further

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but let me ask I'm gonna I'm gonna kick

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this off Dr Sean um obviously an

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undergraduate degree from Lewiston

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College uh Lewis and Clark College and

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I'm I'm curious if that was sort of like

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a bit of foreshadowing or was that like

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a metaphoric irony given the journey

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that you would sort of undertake in the

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future do you did you know where you

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were headed you know back then as an

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undergrad

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triple Major and I

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uh I want to study animal Consciousness

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and so to study animal Consciousness you

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really have to study philosophy

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psychology and biology so I ended up

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getting a double major in philosophy and

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psychology and I'm essentially a minor

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in biology

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I each quarter you know my colleague my

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friends at the time you know in school

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you generally we are on a quarter system

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s around me were taking you know two or

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three classes a quarter

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I was so hungry for knowledge and

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connections and understanding how all of

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this fits together I was taking five

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classes each quarter and to take five

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classes each quarter you have to get a

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special permission from the dean because

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they want to make sure you're not like

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you know going to jump off a bridge or

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something you know like you've kind of

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gone you know totally you know Rogue and

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so I always was getting that permission

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I took you know a ton of classes when I

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graduated in four years I had six years

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of classes so I managed to pack six

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years of classes into four years and and

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that just like kind of indicates my

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desire to like understand reality like I

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just want to know what the f is going on

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like how does this all fit together and

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it also highlights you know my primary

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interest in Consciousness you know in my

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undergrad it was about animal

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Consciousness and looking at what can we

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and can't we say about

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um in particular bonobo chips and

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because there wasn't a lot of good

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research you know available at the time

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nowadays I mean there's been an

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explosion of amazing research on plant

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intelligence and animal Consciousness so

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we were able to say a lot more these

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days but you know back in you know the

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early 90s not so much when I graduated I

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went into Peace Corps and lived in

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Africa Chad Africa for three years and I

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was very clear 200 books why I was there

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because I had a lot of time in my mud

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hut and once again I was reading

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philosophy literature religion

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Environmental Studies you know just kind

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of across the board again just like this

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insatiable appetite for trying to

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understand and just really interested

544
00:22:15,529 --> 00:22:13,620
just like finding reality totally

545
00:22:16,730 --> 00:22:15,539
fascinating you know in all these

546
00:22:17,930 --> 00:22:16,740
different disciplines with their

547
00:22:20,750 --> 00:22:17,940
particular take

548
00:22:22,490 --> 00:22:20,760
so in that part of my journey I got

549
00:22:24,409 --> 00:22:22,500
really interested in human consciousness

550
00:22:26,750 --> 00:22:24,419
and like human transformation and

551
00:22:29,570 --> 00:22:26,760
spirituality and you know Transcendent

552
00:22:32,029 --> 00:22:29,580
States and meditation and then when I

553
00:22:33,529 --> 00:22:32,039
went into grad school

554
00:22:35,090 --> 00:22:33,539
um I started to get more interested in

555
00:22:37,430 --> 00:22:35,100
anomalous experience and then when I

556
00:22:39,470 --> 00:22:37,440
graduated from grad school I started

557
00:22:42,049 --> 00:22:39,480
having more anomalous experiences and

558
00:22:43,909 --> 00:22:42,059
then I got very interested in encounters

559
00:22:45,950 --> 00:22:43,919
with non-human intelligences because I

560
00:22:48,529 --> 00:22:45,960
was having you know some experiences

561
00:22:50,810 --> 00:22:48,539
along those lines and you know so then I

562
00:22:53,750 --> 00:22:50,820
graduated into what I now call EXO

563
00:22:55,430 --> 00:22:53,760
studies you know and interestingly you

564
00:22:57,770 --> 00:22:55,440
know next week I'm teaching two new

565
00:22:59,930 --> 00:22:57,780
courses at the California Institute for

566
00:23:02,390 --> 00:22:59,940
human science one on plant and animal

567
00:23:04,669 --> 00:23:02,400
Consciousness and one on varieties of

568
00:23:06,409 --> 00:23:04,679
non-duality where we're looking at 10

569
00:23:09,110 --> 00:23:06,419
different traditions and how they

570
00:23:12,110 --> 00:23:09,120
understand non-duality and this kind of

571
00:23:13,490 --> 00:23:12,120
the the variations on that notion and

572
00:23:15,289 --> 00:23:13,500
the different types of experiences

573
00:23:18,830 --> 00:23:15,299
people have that they labeled

574
00:23:20,210 --> 00:23:18,840
non-duality and so I really I'm it in

575
00:23:21,830 --> 00:23:20,220
all Consciousness

576
00:23:24,529 --> 00:23:21,840
um next year I'm going to teach a course

577
00:23:26,029 --> 00:23:24,539
in artificial intelligence and alien

578
00:23:28,690 --> 00:23:26,039
Consciousness

579
00:23:31,789 --> 00:23:28,700
um you know so dude we gotta talk

580
00:23:34,010 --> 00:23:31,799
we gonna get into it Sean we got we got

581
00:23:37,190 --> 00:23:34,020
places to go and things to do

582
00:23:40,310 --> 00:23:37,200
but here's what I want to say um I do

583
00:23:42,289 --> 00:23:40,320
find it very ironic uh that that you

584
00:23:43,850 --> 00:23:42,299
know the namesake of your college and

585
00:23:45,350 --> 00:23:43,860
the journey and then what you and I

586
00:23:48,770 --> 00:23:45,360
don't know if you ever saw that irony

587
00:23:50,510 --> 00:23:48,780
but uh because we have uh five of us

588
00:23:51,649 --> 00:23:50,520
here today I gotta get money Nathan in

589
00:23:53,510 --> 00:23:51,659
there because I know he got something

590
00:23:55,789 --> 00:23:53,520
and you're gonna understand why we call

591
00:23:57,830 --> 00:23:55,799
him money Nathan here in a second thanks

592
00:23:59,750 --> 00:23:57,840
DJ uh so Sean what I want to get into

593
00:24:02,330 --> 00:23:59,760
and put this for our audience I think

594
00:24:05,870 --> 00:24:02,340
who may not be as familiar but

595
00:24:07,730 --> 00:24:05,880
focused on maybe realize how many uh you

596
00:24:10,070 --> 00:24:07,740
know thinkers in the UFO space have been

597
00:24:12,350 --> 00:24:10,080
highly influenced by Ken Wilbur and

598
00:24:14,330 --> 00:24:12,360
edible Theory and I was wondering if you

599
00:24:16,850 --> 00:24:14,340
could just I know this is a big question

600
00:24:19,970 --> 00:24:16,860
so it condense this but could you just

601
00:24:21,830 --> 00:24:19,980
explain briefly what is interval Theory

602
00:24:23,990 --> 00:24:21,840
and why is it such a compelling way of

603
00:24:27,289 --> 00:24:24,000
looking at the world particularly with

604
00:24:29,330 --> 00:24:27,299
respect to the phenomena awesome I'm so

605
00:24:31,130 --> 00:24:29,340
glad you asked this Nathan because I've

606
00:24:36,289 --> 00:24:31,140
never been asked about pin Wilbur on a

607
00:24:39,110 --> 00:24:36,299
UFO podcast and Ken Wilbur is

608
00:24:42,590 --> 00:24:39,120
my primary inspiration for all things

609
00:24:46,970 --> 00:24:42,600
integrative and you know when I was in

610
00:24:49,909 --> 00:24:46,980
Africa I was sent a

611
00:24:51,890 --> 00:24:49,919
um a book of his by a friend uh books

612
00:24:53,870 --> 00:24:51,900
called brief history of everything I

613
00:24:56,810 --> 00:24:53,880
read and I read that book and it was

614
00:24:59,930 --> 00:24:56,820
towards the end of my two plus years

615
00:25:01,970 --> 00:24:59,940
there and so I had I basically read 200

616
00:25:03,950 --> 00:25:01,980
books and then I read this book by Ken

617
00:25:06,110 --> 00:25:03,960
Wilbur brief history of everything where

618
00:25:08,029 --> 00:25:06,120
he introduces his quadrant model among

619
00:25:11,270 --> 00:25:08,039
other things which basically helps you

620
00:25:13,010 --> 00:25:11,280
integrate all human knowledge and I just

621
00:25:15,529 --> 00:25:13,020
had this what I call an intellectual

622
00:25:17,270 --> 00:25:15,539
Satori after reading that book like it

623
00:25:19,610 --> 00:25:17,280
was as if everything I'd read for the

624
00:25:22,669 --> 00:25:19,620
last two years you know in Africa plus

625
00:25:24,950 --> 00:25:22,679
the four years in school and college at

626
00:25:27,230 --> 00:25:24,960
Lewis and Clark all of a sudden I had a

627
00:25:30,529 --> 00:25:27,240
way of holding and organizing all of

628
00:25:32,750 --> 00:25:30,539
this information and it just like it was

629
00:25:34,549 --> 00:25:32,760
like it was a Transcendent experience it

630
00:25:36,649 --> 00:25:34,559
was like just like I was like in an

631
00:25:40,430 --> 00:25:36,659
altar state for about two days after

632
00:25:42,950 --> 00:25:40,440
reading that book and I realized that I

633
00:25:45,169 --> 00:25:42,960
wanted to I had this kind of what I call

634
00:25:46,850 --> 00:25:45,179
Moment of clarity it's it's kind of like

635
00:25:48,710 --> 00:25:46,860
a precognitive move I've had three or

636
00:25:51,049 --> 00:25:48,720
four in my life and they've always been

637
00:25:53,750 --> 00:25:51,059
connected to really big events and so I

638
00:25:56,390 --> 00:25:53,760
had this Moment of clarity that integral

639
00:25:57,830 --> 00:25:56,400
Theory would be my main focus for the

640
00:26:00,769 --> 00:25:57,840
rest of my life it was it was like

641
00:26:02,690 --> 00:26:00,779
finding kind of my path and my Dharma

642
00:26:04,850 --> 00:26:02,700
and and it was just kind of like this

643
00:26:07,130 --> 00:26:04,860
full body realization of like it's kind

644
00:26:08,510 --> 00:26:07,140
of like recognizing your you know Twin

645
00:26:11,690 --> 00:26:08,520
Flame or something it was just kind of

646
00:26:13,850 --> 00:26:11,700
like whoa you know it was like erotic it

647
00:26:16,789 --> 00:26:13,860
was you know emotional it was you know

648
00:26:19,610 --> 00:26:16,799
confusing it was exciting

649
00:26:21,830 --> 00:26:19,620
um and so when I finished my time in

650
00:26:23,990 --> 00:26:21,840
Africa and I went back I ended up

651
00:26:26,750 --> 00:26:24,000
basically getting a PhD in Ken Wilbur's

652
00:26:29,330 --> 00:26:26,760
you know work and integral Theory and

653
00:26:30,890 --> 00:26:29,340
and then after that I kind of became an

654
00:26:32,690 --> 00:26:30,900
academic leader with developing

655
00:26:34,730 --> 00:26:32,700
conferences International conferences

656
00:26:36,950 --> 00:26:34,740
academic

657
00:26:39,769 --> 00:26:36,960
um you know peer-reviewed Journal walls

658
00:26:42,110 --> 00:26:39,779
and you know and creating graduate

659
00:26:44,330 --> 00:26:42,120
programs based on integral Theory so

660
00:26:48,049 --> 00:26:44,340
integral theory is basically this

661
00:26:51,169 --> 00:26:48,059
amazing interdisciplinary framework for

662
00:26:53,990 --> 00:26:51,179
holding together lots of very different

663
00:26:56,210 --> 00:26:54,000
data points right and so it weaves

664
00:26:59,029 --> 00:26:56,220
together Behavioral Studies systems

665
00:27:02,210 --> 00:26:59,039
thinking human development cultural

666
00:27:04,310 --> 00:27:02,220
Theory and it also emphasizes the

667
00:27:05,990 --> 00:27:04,320
importance of Developmental levels that

668
00:27:08,630 --> 00:27:06,000
we go through these different World

669
00:27:10,610 --> 00:27:08,640
Views and we grow and expand into New

670
00:27:13,070 --> 00:27:10,620
World Views under the right conditions

671
00:27:15,529 --> 00:27:13,080
and each worldview allows us to see more

672
00:27:17,330 --> 00:27:15,539
and more of reality one a simple way of

673
00:27:19,909 --> 00:27:17,340
thinking about integral theory in this

674
00:27:22,610 --> 00:27:19,919
developmental kind of aspect is we move

675
00:27:25,610 --> 00:27:22,620
from egocentric to like kind of tribe

676
00:27:27,529 --> 00:27:25,620
Centric to kind of social Centric you

677
00:27:29,690 --> 00:27:27,539
know kind of nation state to World

678
00:27:32,630 --> 00:27:29,700
Centric to planet-centric to eventually

679
00:27:35,029 --> 00:27:32,640
like cosmocentric right so there's this

680
00:27:36,710 --> 00:27:35,039
process we developed through and this

681
00:27:38,570 --> 00:27:36,720
has been studied for you know over 100

682
00:27:41,330 --> 00:27:38,580
years in the developmental psychology

683
00:27:43,669 --> 00:27:41,340
tradition so we understand this process

684
00:27:46,430 --> 00:27:43,679
pretty well and Wilbur does a lot of

685
00:27:47,870 --> 00:27:46,440
analyzes looking at the role that these

686
00:27:49,850 --> 00:27:47,880
different worldviews play in the

687
00:27:52,070 --> 00:27:49,860
interpretation of things so you can take

688
00:27:53,990 --> 00:27:52,080
the UFO phenomenon and you can

689
00:27:56,570 --> 00:27:54,000
understand how people with different

690
00:27:58,490 --> 00:27:56,580
World Views and value systems would

691
00:28:01,130 --> 00:27:58,500
interpret essentially the same

692
00:28:03,649 --> 00:28:01,140
experience through a very different set

693
00:28:06,590 --> 00:28:03,659
of you know you know kind of symbols

694
00:28:08,510 --> 00:28:06,600
ideas references and and this also helps

695
00:28:11,029 --> 00:28:08,520
explain the cultural Wars that we see

696
00:28:12,710 --> 00:28:11,039
going on you know and so interval theory

697
00:28:17,210 --> 00:28:12,720
has been really valuable for me because

698
00:28:21,110 --> 00:28:17,220
the phenomenon is really complex and

699
00:28:22,549 --> 00:28:21,120
it's so mysterious and dynamic and and

700
00:28:25,850 --> 00:28:22,559
it's like you just can't get your hands

701
00:28:28,490 --> 00:28:25,860
around it in fact one of my kind of big

702
00:28:29,810 --> 00:28:28,500
moments where I I kind of took my

703
00:28:31,909 --> 00:28:29,820
background in integral Theory and I

704
00:28:35,750 --> 00:28:31,919
turned towards what I now call EXO

705
00:28:38,269 --> 00:28:35,760
studies was reading this quote in on the

706
00:28:40,490 --> 00:28:38,279
hunt for Skinwalker towards the end you

707
00:28:42,649 --> 00:28:40,500
know they're reflecting on kind of their

708
00:28:47,510 --> 00:28:42,659
efforts to try and study the phenomena

709
00:28:49,610 --> 00:28:47,520
and their skin Ranch in Utah and they

710
00:28:51,710 --> 00:28:49,620
they say basically you know like the

711
00:28:53,990 --> 00:28:51,720
Bigfoot people don't want to talk to the

712
00:28:55,130 --> 00:28:54,000
UFO alien people and the UFO alien

713
00:28:56,810 --> 00:28:55,140
people don't want to talk to the ghost

714
00:28:59,330 --> 00:28:56,820
hunters and the Ghost Hunters don't want

715
00:29:01,190 --> 00:28:59,340
to talk to you know and and I realized

716
00:29:03,950 --> 00:29:01,200
in that moment like wow we need an

717
00:29:06,289 --> 00:29:03,960
integral approach that recognizes the

718
00:29:07,789 --> 00:29:06,299
truth but partiality of each of these

719
00:29:10,850 --> 00:29:07,799
schools of thought these perspectives

720
00:29:12,289 --> 00:29:10,860
these approaches and so that was this

721
00:29:14,450 --> 00:29:12,299
other moment of just kind of like okay

722
00:29:17,029 --> 00:29:14,460
this is this is what I need to do like

723
00:29:19,370 --> 00:29:17,039
I'm uniquely equipped to bring an

724
00:29:21,710 --> 00:29:19,380
integral approach to the phenomenon to

725
00:29:24,049 --> 00:29:21,720
understand and appreciate the spiritual

726
00:29:26,210 --> 00:29:24,059
aspects the nuts and bolts aspects the

727
00:29:29,210 --> 00:29:26,220
cultural aspects the human development

728
00:29:30,830 --> 00:29:29,220
aspects and and I can start to create a

729
00:29:32,570 --> 00:29:30,840
framework um which I've been doing over

730
00:29:34,909 --> 00:29:32,580
the last few years

731
00:29:37,010 --> 00:29:34,919
um to understand you know the the

732
00:29:39,769 --> 00:29:37,020
phenomena from an integral effective you

733
00:29:42,230 --> 00:29:39,779
know and because in my experiences with

734
00:29:44,149 --> 00:29:42,240
non-human intelligence is I've had

735
00:29:46,610 --> 00:29:44,159
encounters with what I would consider

736
00:29:49,730 --> 00:29:46,620
Celestial beings with what I would

737
00:29:52,549 --> 00:29:49,740
consider extraterrestrial or Galactic

738
00:29:55,070 --> 00:29:52,559
beans and what I would consider Fey or

739
00:29:57,710 --> 00:29:55,080
nature spear or Elemental beans right

740
00:30:00,350 --> 00:29:57,720
and when I would hang out with my fairy

741
00:30:03,049 --> 00:30:00,360
tradition friends they didn't want to

742
00:30:04,490 --> 00:30:03,059
talk about ETS when I'd hang out with my

743
00:30:07,250 --> 00:30:04,500
ET friends they wanted to make every

744
00:30:09,470 --> 00:30:07,260
fairy just uh E.T you know right one

745
00:30:10,730 --> 00:30:09,480
sword or another and you know and so I

746
00:30:12,110 --> 00:30:10,740
was just like wait a second no you guys

747
00:30:14,810 --> 00:30:12,120
are missing something here you know like

748
00:30:16,549 --> 00:30:14,820
it's actually the cosmos is much more

749
00:30:18,710 --> 00:30:16,559
wild than you realize there's a lot of

750
00:30:21,230 --> 00:30:18,720
different types of intelligences and we

751
00:30:22,610 --> 00:30:21,240
can't just keep reducing one type to

752
00:30:24,590 --> 00:30:22,620
another type and think we're making

753
00:30:27,110 --> 00:30:24,600
progress like we we need a bigger

754
00:30:29,269 --> 00:30:27,120
cosmology that makes room for the the

755
00:30:30,710 --> 00:30:29,279
sheer diversity of the phenomenon and

756
00:30:32,330 --> 00:30:30,720
the sheer diversity of non-human

757
00:30:33,769 --> 00:30:32,340
intelligence is

758
00:30:35,450 --> 00:30:33,779
um and this is also why I love cripples

759
00:30:37,490 --> 00:30:35,460
work you know [\h__\h] is very much an

760
00:30:39,470 --> 00:30:37,500
integrative thinker and you know he's

761
00:30:41,029 --> 00:30:39,480
done a lot to inspire some of the

762
00:30:43,789 --> 00:30:41,039
concepts that I've been developing and

763
00:30:46,610 --> 00:30:43,799
building on so integral Theory I feel

764
00:30:49,669 --> 00:30:46,620
gives us a really good map to make sense

765
00:30:52,190 --> 00:30:49,679
of the phenomenon ironically integral

766
00:30:53,930 --> 00:30:52,200
Theory hasn't really done much with the

767
00:30:56,690 --> 00:30:53,940
phenomenon like it kind of stays clear

768
00:30:59,149 --> 00:30:56,700
of it like so many other approaches

769
00:31:01,130 --> 00:30:59,159
um and so it took you know a while for

770
00:31:03,110 --> 00:31:01,140
me to kind of come out of the UFO closet

771
00:31:06,470 --> 00:31:03,120
and start talking about my experiences

772
00:31:08,690 --> 00:31:06,480
with my integral Theory friends but what

773
00:31:11,330 --> 00:31:08,700
really floored me was when I started to

774
00:31:14,090 --> 00:31:11,340
do that many of them started to share

775
00:31:17,029 --> 00:31:14,100
with me their own encounters and UFO

776
00:31:18,289 --> 00:31:17,039
experiences and I was like what you

777
00:31:19,850 --> 00:31:18,299
haven't shared this with we've been

778
00:31:22,190 --> 00:31:19,860
friends for like 10 years and we've

779
00:31:23,810 --> 00:31:22,200
we've drank beers together we've gone on

780
00:31:25,909 --> 00:31:23,820
Ayahuasca ceremonies together we've done

781
00:31:28,250 --> 00:31:25,919
this together and you've never shared

782
00:31:31,070 --> 00:31:28,260
this one like so it just highlighted the

783
00:31:32,690 --> 00:31:31,080
level of the taboo and how even in a

784
00:31:34,730 --> 00:31:32,700
community that purports to be an

785
00:31:37,070 --> 00:31:34,740
integral community that wants to include

786
00:31:38,810 --> 00:31:37,080
everything and make room for a full

787
00:31:41,810 --> 00:31:38,820
range of human spirituality and

788
00:31:44,630 --> 00:31:41,820
experience even there there was a a

789
00:31:47,269 --> 00:31:44,640
taboo and a stigma around the phenomenon

790
00:31:50,029 --> 00:31:47,279
and so that really inspired me to like

791
00:31:52,970 --> 00:31:50,039
you know try and shift that and create

792
00:31:55,250 --> 00:31:52,980
more understanding around the the

793
00:31:57,970 --> 00:31:55,260
ubiquitous nature of these experiences

794
00:32:00,289 --> 00:31:57,980
across Humanity

795
00:32:01,789 --> 00:32:00,299
the table has been set I think we're

796
00:32:03,230 --> 00:32:01,799
ready to roll here yeah yeah that's

797
00:32:05,269 --> 00:32:03,240
great I'll tell you what I'm wondering

798
00:32:07,430 --> 00:32:05,279
how he had time for keg parties as he

799
00:32:09,230 --> 00:32:07,440
mentioned beer taking five classes at

800
00:32:11,389 --> 00:32:09,240
Lewis and Clark but that just shows

801
00:32:12,430 --> 00:32:11,399
great organizational skills that's right

802
00:32:16,130 --> 00:32:12,440
um

803
00:32:17,990 --> 00:32:16,140
take it away my friend right so one

804
00:32:21,769 --> 00:32:18,000
thing that I found really interesting is

805
00:32:24,230 --> 00:32:21,779
that you spoke on several podcasts about

806
00:32:28,010 --> 00:32:24,240
your meditation experiences about how

807
00:32:30,470 --> 00:32:28,020
going inside yourself actually results

808
00:32:33,470 --> 00:32:30,480
in going outside and I discovered that

809
00:32:35,630 --> 00:32:33,480
myself also when I meditated that when I

810
00:32:38,450 --> 00:32:35,640
would meditate I would be taken really

811
00:32:40,789 --> 00:32:38,460
far away like so I was wondering if you

812
00:32:43,970 --> 00:32:40,799
could expound on that a little bit and

813
00:32:46,250 --> 00:32:43,980
explain that to people yeah well I think

814
00:32:48,710 --> 00:32:46,260
there's a couple things to keep in mind

815
00:32:52,130 --> 00:32:48,720
and help me try and make sense of that

816
00:32:54,590 --> 00:32:52,140
dynamic one is

817
00:32:58,090 --> 00:32:54,600
you know part of the phenomenon you know

818
00:33:00,590 --> 00:32:58,100
a core aspect of the phenomena I

819
00:33:02,330 --> 00:33:00,600
feel is that it has this quality called

820
00:33:03,889 --> 00:33:02,340
doubleness

821
00:33:06,110 --> 00:33:03,899
um that there's it has these

822
00:33:08,630 --> 00:33:06,120
contradictory and paradoxical quality

823
00:33:10,669 --> 00:33:08,640
simultaneously so it's both inside and

824
00:33:13,370 --> 00:33:10,679
outside right it's I'm having an

825
00:33:15,289 --> 00:33:13,380
experience inside me and I'm also seeing

826
00:33:17,570 --> 00:33:15,299
a series of events happening outside me

827
00:33:19,669 --> 00:33:17,580
and they seem to somehow be one of the

828
00:33:22,549 --> 00:33:19,679
same or related you know Mike cleland's

829
00:33:25,549 --> 00:33:22,559
you know book on Messengers gives lots

830
00:33:27,169 --> 00:33:25,559
of examples of this the synchronicity of

831
00:33:28,970 --> 00:33:27,179
internal States and external

832
00:33:30,289 --> 00:33:28,980
manifestations right so that's one

833
00:33:32,330 --> 00:33:30,299
example

834
00:33:34,549 --> 00:33:32,340
um also there's doubleness between self

835
00:33:37,490 --> 00:33:34,559
and other often our encounters with some

836
00:33:40,310 --> 00:33:37,500
of these beings feel on one level like

837
00:33:41,810 --> 00:33:40,320
it's a other being different than us and

838
00:33:43,669 --> 00:33:41,820
then on some level sometimes it feels

839
00:33:45,289 --> 00:33:43,679
like it is US interacting with ourselves

840
00:33:47,570 --> 00:33:45,299
right you know or ourselves from the

841
00:33:49,190 --> 00:33:47,580
future or a different aspect of

842
00:33:50,810 --> 00:33:49,200
ourselves you know so it's confusing

843
00:33:52,549 --> 00:33:50,820
right and then with time and space

844
00:33:54,590 --> 00:33:52,559
there's a lot of doubleness too in the

845
00:33:56,029 --> 00:33:54,600
phenomena so I think this is one of the

846
00:33:58,730 --> 00:33:56,039
areas where the doubleness shows up

847
00:34:00,950 --> 00:33:58,740
where we go inside and simultaneously

848
00:34:03,590 --> 00:34:00,960
experience something outside right and

849
00:34:06,230 --> 00:34:03,600
that you know know so so because the

850
00:34:08,869 --> 00:34:06,240
phenomena doesn't fit into our kind of

851
00:34:12,349 --> 00:34:08,879
binary conceptual Frameworks of inside

852
00:34:14,930 --> 00:34:12,359
outside self and other past and future

853
00:34:16,970 --> 00:34:14,940
you know the phenomenon as [\h__\h]

854
00:34:20,329 --> 00:34:16,980
highlights I think very appropriately is

855
00:34:24,050 --> 00:34:20,339
the anomalous is non-dual sign it's this

856
00:34:25,909 --> 00:34:24,060
constant reminder of of some deeper

857
00:34:29,750 --> 00:34:25,919
um you know sourcing you know

858
00:34:31,909 --> 00:34:29,760
simultaneity you know um Singularity you

859
00:34:33,409 --> 00:34:31,919
know shared reality

860
00:34:35,690 --> 00:34:33,419
um the other aspect is consciousness

861
00:34:36,970 --> 00:34:35,700
Consciousness is such a funny weird

862
00:34:39,589 --> 00:34:36,980
thing it's like

863
00:34:40,970 --> 00:34:39,599
no one really knows or understands what

864
00:34:42,230 --> 00:34:40,980
Consciousness is like if you under if

865
00:34:44,990 --> 00:34:42,240
you look at the conscious studies

866
00:34:47,089 --> 00:34:45,000
literature no one can agree on what a

867
00:34:49,310 --> 00:34:47,099
definition of Consciousness is and so

868
00:34:51,230 --> 00:34:49,320
it's it's interesting because we are

869
00:34:52,909 --> 00:34:51,240
just completely immersed in our own

870
00:34:55,250 --> 00:34:52,919
Consciousness I mean we couldn't be

871
00:34:57,230 --> 00:34:55,260
closer to it it's like we are you know a

872
00:34:59,030 --> 00:34:57,240
fish swimming in water we are we

873
00:35:02,630 --> 00:34:59,040
experience Consciousness every single

874
00:35:05,990 --> 00:35:02,640
moment and yet it's Still Remains to be

875
00:35:08,630 --> 00:35:06,000
one of the top mysterious things in our

876
00:35:11,329 --> 00:35:08,640
reality as human beings like we we just

877
00:35:13,609 --> 00:35:11,339
don't know what to make of it

878
00:35:15,109 --> 00:35:13,619
um and so Consciousness you know there's

879
00:35:16,790 --> 00:35:15,119
obviously our individualized

880
00:35:19,430 --> 00:35:16,800
Consciousness but our individualized

881
00:35:22,190 --> 00:35:19,440
Consciousness is part of a network and

882
00:35:26,089 --> 00:35:22,200
of fields of Consciousness and and so

883
00:35:28,130 --> 00:35:26,099
often when we go in we it feels like

884
00:35:29,810 --> 00:35:28,140
we're going in like in terms of a

885
00:35:31,310 --> 00:35:29,820
spatial sense

886
00:35:33,829 --> 00:35:31,320
um because that's just like because

887
00:35:36,230 --> 00:35:33,839
we're embodied beings that walk you know

888
00:35:38,569 --> 00:35:36,240
through a room you know upright and you

889
00:35:40,790 --> 00:35:38,579
know in a linear way we have this very

890
00:35:43,010 --> 00:35:40,800
kind of ingrained sense of like inside

891
00:35:45,349 --> 00:35:43,020
and outside like here I am in my body

892
00:35:47,270 --> 00:35:45,359
and so when we meditate we often have

893
00:35:49,670 --> 00:35:47,280
this kind of image that we're going in

894
00:35:52,130 --> 00:35:49,680
and there is something very true and

895
00:35:54,290 --> 00:35:52,140
right about that but at the same time

896
00:35:55,250 --> 00:35:54,300
we're also just going into the field of

897
00:35:58,250 --> 00:35:55,260
Consciousness and the field of

898
00:36:00,950 --> 00:35:58,260
Consciousness is not bound by being

899
00:36:02,930 --> 00:36:00,960
inside my body right and we we also know

900
00:36:04,849 --> 00:36:02,940
this from samples like you know out of

901
00:36:07,849 --> 00:36:04,859
body experiences you know where you know

902
00:36:09,829 --> 00:36:07,859
like our Consciousness goes beyond

903
00:36:11,089 --> 00:36:09,839
our physical body in so many different

904
00:36:13,790 --> 00:36:11,099
ways

905
00:36:16,849 --> 00:36:13,800
um so it's just kind of how our brain

906
00:36:17,450 --> 00:36:16,859
tries to coordinate in time space you

907
00:36:19,310 --> 00:36:17,460
know

908
00:36:20,990 --> 00:36:19,320
um and so there can be this paradoxical

909
00:36:23,390 --> 00:36:21,000
sense of going in

910
00:36:25,069 --> 00:36:23,400
um and then also kind of going out and

911
00:36:26,750 --> 00:36:25,079
part of it and this is where I'm really

912
00:36:29,390 --> 00:36:26,760
interested in where my research is going

913
00:36:31,130 --> 00:36:29,400
is looking at subtle bodies and how when

914
00:36:33,109 --> 00:36:31,140
we connect with different subtle bodies

915
00:36:35,150 --> 00:36:33,119
because you know many traditions and

916
00:36:38,089 --> 00:36:35,160
systems highlight that we have anywhere

917
00:36:39,170 --> 00:36:38,099
from three to you know nine subtle

918
00:36:40,190 --> 00:36:39,180
bodies

919
00:36:42,530 --> 00:36:40,200
um well actually including the physical

920
00:36:45,410 --> 00:36:42,540
body so eight subtle bodies

921
00:36:48,109 --> 00:36:45,420
and those different subtle bodies enable

922
00:36:50,450 --> 00:36:48,119
us to access different Realms dimensions

923
00:36:52,010 --> 00:36:50,460
and you know worlds and there are

924
00:36:54,589 --> 00:36:52,020
different beings associated with

925
00:36:56,150 --> 00:36:54,599
different Realms worlds you know and and

926
00:36:57,829 --> 00:36:56,160
the subtle sense

927
00:36:59,930 --> 00:36:57,839
um and so part of it is that when we go

928
00:37:02,030 --> 00:36:59,940
in we might be like actually connecting

929
00:37:05,210 --> 00:37:02,040
with a different subtle body and that

930
00:37:07,970 --> 00:37:05,220
subtle body is kind of bi-located right

931
00:37:10,790 --> 00:37:07,980
it's not just inside us like as a

932
00:37:13,010 --> 00:37:10,800
physical vehicle and a biological being

933
00:37:15,470 --> 00:37:13,020
but it's kind of like we are in two

934
00:37:18,230 --> 00:37:15,480
places at once um I once had this

935
00:37:20,390 --> 00:37:18,240
meditative experience where I was in the

936
00:37:23,150 --> 00:37:20,400
meditation room and I could I had a soft

937
00:37:25,430 --> 00:37:23,160
gaze and I could see

938
00:37:26,870 --> 00:37:25,440
um you know the the floor and you know I

939
00:37:29,150 --> 00:37:26,880
could hear the voice of the instructor

940
00:37:31,490 --> 00:37:29,160
and but I was just kind of open and

941
00:37:34,130 --> 00:37:31,500
grounded and just kind of present the

942
00:37:36,230 --> 00:37:34,140
same time I was in some kind of fairy

943
00:37:38,510 --> 00:37:36,240
realm and I could sense a bunch of beans

944
00:37:40,849 --> 00:37:38,520
around me and it was a very you know

945
00:37:43,310 --> 00:37:40,859
colorful almost you know kind of like

946
00:37:45,530 --> 00:37:43,320
how sometimes people describe on DMT he

947
00:37:48,530 --> 00:37:45,540
you know the the you know that kind of

948
00:37:50,930 --> 00:37:48,540
the Technicolor of the experience

949
00:37:54,349 --> 00:37:50,940
um and then at the same time I was also

950
00:37:55,970 --> 00:37:54,359
in this black void space

951
00:37:58,010 --> 00:37:55,980
um where I was just kind of this oblong

952
00:38:00,589 --> 00:37:58,020
orb of light

953
00:38:02,030 --> 00:38:00,599
um and so the experience was that I was

954
00:38:04,790 --> 00:38:02,040
literally in these three different

955
00:38:07,550 --> 00:38:04,800
places simultaneously so I think there's

956
00:38:10,130 --> 00:38:07,560
this misnomer we have because we're so

957
00:38:13,130 --> 00:38:10,140
conditioned by being in a physical

958
00:38:14,930 --> 00:38:13,140
reality that we just assume that work

959
00:38:16,670 --> 00:38:14,940
here physically and this is the only

960
00:38:18,170 --> 00:38:16,680
place we are

961
00:38:19,790 --> 00:38:18,180
um my sense The more I've done

962
00:38:21,770 --> 00:38:19,800
meditative practice and work with

963
00:38:23,450 --> 00:38:21,780
different Traditions is that yeah we are

964
00:38:26,089 --> 00:38:23,460
located in a physical space with our

965
00:38:28,490 --> 00:38:26,099
physical body but our energetic system

966
00:38:31,190 --> 00:38:28,500
our subtle bodies allow us to be in

967
00:38:33,349 --> 00:38:31,200
multiple places other dimensions at the

968
00:38:35,329 --> 00:38:33,359
same time right and it's almost like

969
00:38:37,550 --> 00:38:35,339
these kind of parallel lives that are

970
00:38:40,010 --> 00:38:37,560
going on and that you can learn to

971
00:38:42,050 --> 00:38:40,020
access and work with those other layers

972
00:38:44,569 --> 00:38:42,060
of yourself and this is where I think a

973
00:38:47,210 --> 00:38:44,579
lot of the the you know ET encounters

974
00:38:49,490 --> 00:38:47,220
and even abduction phenomenon is related

975
00:38:51,770 --> 00:38:49,500
to the subtle bodies and and also

976
00:38:53,930 --> 00:38:51,780
encounters with the phenomenon activate

977
00:38:55,910 --> 00:38:53,940
our subtle bodies and so and in our

978
00:38:58,849 --> 00:38:55,920
subtle senses so people often start

979
00:39:00,890 --> 00:38:58,859
reporting SCI phenomenon after an

980
00:39:03,589 --> 00:39:00,900
encounter right because it's activated

981
00:39:05,630 --> 00:39:03,599
this other kind of layer of our self so

982
00:39:07,010 --> 00:39:05,640
I find this whole area of like how is it

983
00:39:09,950 --> 00:39:07,020
we go inside and experience something

984
00:39:11,750 --> 00:39:09,960
outside really key and crucial

985
00:39:13,430 --> 00:39:11,760
um and in an area that I'm trying to

986
00:39:15,349 --> 00:39:13,440
investigate and understand by using the

987
00:39:18,170 --> 00:39:15,359
subtle body framework to shed a little

988
00:39:20,630 --> 00:39:18,180
light on what might be going on in that

989
00:39:22,069 --> 00:39:20,640
how might we better understand that

990
00:39:23,510 --> 00:39:22,079
um and then you know also working on

991
00:39:25,490 --> 00:39:23,520
with conscious studies to understand

992
00:39:27,950 --> 00:39:25,500
just the fields of Consciousness that we

993
00:39:32,329 --> 00:39:30,410
I'm hoping that my subtle bodies the

994
00:39:35,569 --> 00:39:32,339
other eight have like a lower body mass

995
00:39:37,730 --> 00:39:35,579
index than the ninth one so if you could

996
00:39:39,950 --> 00:39:37,740
if there's a way that we could sort of

997
00:39:42,109 --> 00:39:39,960
take a look at that uh I also want to

998
00:39:44,690 --> 00:39:42,119
say before we turn it over to Leah Prime

999
00:39:46,190 --> 00:39:44,700
is uh I did want to mention that Cabot

1000
00:39:48,290 --> 00:39:46,200
does Endeavor to bring these communities

1001
00:39:50,930 --> 00:39:48,300
together in the last month even we've

1002
00:39:54,230 --> 00:39:50,940
had on paranormal we've had on multiple

1003
00:39:56,270 --> 00:39:54,240
Bigfoot guests and we will not be just

1004
00:39:58,910 --> 00:39:56,280
doing only UFOs we're going to be doing

1005
00:40:02,150 --> 00:39:58,920
all the you know all the the crypted

1006
00:40:04,670 --> 00:40:02,160
Realms and uh and also the Paranormal

1007
00:40:06,230 --> 00:40:04,680
like you said ghosts uh because we

1008
00:40:08,030 --> 00:40:06,240
believe that there's some sort of

1009
00:40:09,829 --> 00:40:08,040
connection between it all I think you're

1010
00:40:11,390 --> 00:40:09,839
you're on board with that and and we're

1011
00:40:13,670 --> 00:40:11,400
going to talk about it all and that's

1012
00:40:15,410 --> 00:40:13,680
just how it's going to be so uh let me

1013
00:40:17,630 --> 00:40:15,420
pass over to Prime Time I know she's got

1014
00:40:19,250 --> 00:40:17,640
something teed up for you oh man so many

1015
00:40:20,990 --> 00:40:19,260
so first of all I wanted to let you know

1016
00:40:23,630 --> 00:40:21,000
I actually run an extra studies group

1017
00:40:26,030 --> 00:40:23,640
and we just finished converters a brief

1018
00:40:28,010 --> 00:40:26,040
history of everything yeah uh so this

1019
00:40:30,829 --> 00:40:28,020
has been a small group interesting

1020
00:40:32,030 --> 00:40:30,839
enough primarily as non-ufo people who

1021
00:40:33,710 --> 00:40:32,040
are very interested so I've been

1022
00:40:35,750 --> 00:40:33,720
selecting greetings and stuff and

1023
00:40:36,349 --> 00:40:35,760
guiding these discussions

1024
00:40:38,270 --> 00:40:36,359
um

1025
00:40:40,130 --> 00:40:38,280
and I'm actually very curious about the

1026
00:40:42,050 --> 00:40:40,140
academic program you're leading

1027
00:40:45,170 --> 00:40:42,060
um I come from a super interdisciplinary

1028
00:40:47,870 --> 00:40:45,180
background ranging from rare books to

1029
00:40:49,970 --> 00:40:47,880
applied Ai and machine learning

1030
00:40:51,470 --> 00:40:49,980
um and um I'm very curious about the

1031
00:40:53,510 --> 00:40:51,480
kind of students that you're seeking for

1032
00:40:55,130 --> 00:40:53,520
this program and what you envision these

1033
00:40:56,270 --> 00:40:55,140
students doing after earning their

1034
00:40:59,870 --> 00:40:56,280
degree

1035
00:41:01,970 --> 00:40:59,880
yeah great yeah I

1036
00:41:05,990 --> 00:41:01,980
I was an academic for a number of years

1037
00:41:10,130 --> 00:41:06,000
about 10 years and you know running some

1038
00:41:12,050 --> 00:41:10,140
an online program and a campus-based

1039
00:41:13,250 --> 00:41:12,060
um non-clinical integral psychology

1040
00:41:16,010 --> 00:41:13,260
program

1041
00:41:19,370 --> 00:41:16,020
and and I loved it and I but I left it

1042
00:41:21,770 --> 00:41:19,380
to launch some companies and and I did

1043
00:41:23,930 --> 00:41:21,780
that for about 10 years and and that's

1044
00:41:25,970 --> 00:41:23,940
kind of when all my extra stuff started

1045
00:41:28,190 --> 00:41:25,980
to merge and

1046
00:41:30,170 --> 00:41:28,200
I was really missing the Academy I you

1047
00:41:31,609 --> 00:41:30,180
know I I'm a teacher I love reading I

1048
00:41:34,790 --> 00:41:31,619
love writing I love working with

1049
00:41:35,810 --> 00:41:34,800
students and I was looking for kind of

1050
00:41:38,750 --> 00:41:35,820
the right

1051
00:41:40,430 --> 00:41:38,760
school to kind of go back to and I

1052
00:41:42,109 --> 00:41:40,440
wasn't finding it and then the

1053
00:41:44,630 --> 00:41:42,119
California Institute for human science

1054
00:41:48,470 --> 00:41:44,640
reached out to me about two years ago or

1055
00:41:50,810 --> 00:41:48,480
maybe three years ago now and they they

1056
00:41:52,970 --> 00:41:50,820
wanted me to come and run a program in

1057
00:41:55,490 --> 00:41:52,980
integral health and I basically said

1058
00:41:58,370 --> 00:41:55,500
look I'm very open and interested in

1059
00:42:00,770 --> 00:41:58,380
doing that but I have to tell you my

1060
00:42:02,450 --> 00:42:00,780
path forward is EXO studies like that's

1061
00:42:04,790 --> 00:42:02,460
one of the main things I want to do I

1062
00:42:07,069 --> 00:42:04,800
really want to study the phenomena and I

1063
00:42:09,410 --> 00:42:07,079
want to create an academic program that

1064
00:42:12,770 --> 00:42:09,420
is open to that and allows experiencers

1065
00:42:15,589 --> 00:42:12,780
to come into the program and and explore

1066
00:42:19,130 --> 00:42:15,599
these Topics in an academic context I

1067
00:42:21,230 --> 00:42:19,140
said so if you're open to that then I'm

1068
00:42:24,650 --> 00:42:21,240
willing to talk and explore how I might

1069
00:42:26,150 --> 00:42:24,660
be part of your University and they were

1070
00:42:27,530 --> 00:42:26,160
open to that I mean they you know they

1071
00:42:28,670 --> 00:42:27,540
were a little nervous like okay what do

1072
00:42:30,530 --> 00:42:28,680
you mean like what exactly are we

1073
00:42:32,870 --> 00:42:30,540
talking about like you know fair enough

1074
00:42:35,750 --> 00:42:32,880
so but you know they've been really

1075
00:42:39,010 --> 00:42:35,760
supportive and I was really excited when

1076
00:42:41,930 --> 00:42:39,020
in about a year ago year and a half ago

1077
00:42:44,329 --> 00:42:41,940
I finally it took a year to get the

1078
00:42:45,950 --> 00:42:44,339
board approval from the new program and

1079
00:42:49,670 --> 00:42:45,960
on what's now called integral and

1080
00:42:51,470 --> 00:42:49,680
robotic Sciences so I oversee this

1081
00:42:54,470 --> 00:42:51,480
program it's a master's program and a

1082
00:42:56,150 --> 00:42:54,480
PhD program and integral numetic

1083
00:42:58,130 --> 00:42:56,160
sciences and integral noetic Sciences is

1084
00:43:00,290 --> 00:42:58,140
just a fancy way of saying a scientific

1085
00:43:02,329 --> 00:43:00,300
approach to Consciousness studies right

1086
00:43:04,370 --> 00:43:02,339
and you know noetic being like the mind

1087
00:43:05,809 --> 00:43:04,380
and Consciousness and integral being

1088
00:43:08,450 --> 00:43:05,819
kind of a wheelbarian or an

1089
00:43:10,970 --> 00:43:08,460
interdisciplinary approach to the study

1090
00:43:13,550 --> 00:43:10,980
of the mind and then science you know or

1091
00:43:15,829 --> 00:43:13,560
Sciences you know in a working with

1092
00:43:18,530 --> 00:43:15,839
mixed methods so qualitative and

1093
00:43:20,450 --> 00:43:18,540
quantitative approaches because I really

1094
00:43:22,910 --> 00:43:20,460
as an integral list I like to mix it all

1095
00:43:25,190 --> 00:43:22,920
together like I I love the data but I

1096
00:43:27,170 --> 00:43:25,200
also love the stories and people's first

1097
00:43:29,930 --> 00:43:27,180
person descriptions of like what they

1098
00:43:32,150 --> 00:43:29,940
experienced and so we launched the

1099
00:43:35,030 --> 00:43:32,160
program a year and a half ago within the

1100
00:43:37,490 --> 00:43:35,040
program there are kind of two formal

1101
00:43:40,069 --> 00:43:37,500
concentrations that a student can choose

1102
00:43:41,510 --> 00:43:40,079
from one is in wisdom design which is

1103
00:43:42,950 --> 00:43:41,520
basically like an integral approach to

1104
00:43:45,829 --> 00:43:42,960
organizational design and Leadership

1105
00:43:48,710 --> 00:43:45,839
kind of using Insight from design Theory

1106
00:43:52,309 --> 00:43:48,720
integral Theory organizational design

1107
00:43:54,650 --> 00:43:52,319
studies to you know have a more holistic

1108
00:43:57,470 --> 00:43:54,660
approach to working with companies and

1109
00:43:59,450 --> 00:43:57,480
projects and initiatives and because I

1110
00:44:01,910 --> 00:43:59,460
have a design background and so that

1111
00:44:03,950 --> 00:44:01,920
fits really well with my experience and

1112
00:44:06,170 --> 00:44:03,960
passion the other concentration is

1113
00:44:08,809 --> 00:44:06,180
anomalous studies and anomalous studies

1114
00:44:10,309 --> 00:44:08,819
includes you know UFO experiences

1115
00:44:13,250 --> 00:44:10,319
psychedelic

1116
00:44:16,690 --> 00:44:13,260
um crypto logical experiences you know

1117
00:44:20,210 --> 00:44:16,700
paranormal you know the the full range

1118
00:44:21,770 --> 00:44:20,220
and so anomalous studies as a

1119
00:44:24,890 --> 00:44:21,780
concentration is kind of this umbrella

1120
00:44:27,109 --> 00:44:24,900
space for all things weird so you could

1121
00:44:29,990 --> 00:44:27,119
also think of it as weird studies or UAP

1122
00:44:31,609 --> 00:44:30,000
studies or EXO studies

1123
00:44:33,890 --> 00:44:31,619
um you know technically it's anomalous

1124
00:44:37,250 --> 00:44:33,900
studies but any of those other

1125
00:44:39,410 --> 00:44:37,260
um you know labels could fit and we

1126
00:44:41,569 --> 00:44:39,420
we've grown the program to about 20

1127
00:44:43,569 --> 00:44:41,579
students now we have about 10 more

1128
00:44:47,089 --> 00:44:43,579
probably coming in over this next year

1129
00:44:48,710 --> 00:44:47,099
and we have more doctoral students than

1130
00:44:50,690 --> 00:44:48,720
Master students which for me is very

1131
00:44:52,790 --> 00:44:50,700
exciting because I really want this

1132
00:44:56,750 --> 00:44:52,800
program to support the next generation

1133
00:44:59,210 --> 00:44:56,760
of academic leaders who get a degree in

1134
00:45:02,569 --> 00:44:59,220
this area that then could go on and

1135
00:45:04,970 --> 00:45:02,579
research or or start non-profits or come

1136
00:45:07,849 --> 00:45:04,980
up with new tech gadgets you know

1137
00:45:09,650 --> 00:45:07,859
informed by you know these ideas

1138
00:45:11,750 --> 00:45:09,660
um you know so we have a number of

1139
00:45:14,990 --> 00:45:11,760
experiencers in the program

1140
00:45:18,290 --> 00:45:15,000
um we have more who are coming in and we

1141
00:45:20,390 --> 00:45:18,300
are also you know I've teamed up with a

1142
00:45:23,630 --> 00:45:20,400
great group of advisors including Gary

1143
00:45:25,490 --> 00:45:23,640
Nolan to launch some Global Research

1144
00:45:28,490 --> 00:45:25,500
that I'm going to be beginning later

1145
00:45:31,670 --> 00:45:28,500
this year and super experiencers and

1146
00:45:34,550 --> 00:45:31,680
anomalous cognition and it's gonna have

1147
00:45:37,069 --> 00:45:34,560
like a five-year project in several

1148
00:45:39,550 --> 00:45:37,079
phases first phase this interview uh

1149
00:45:41,750 --> 00:45:39,560
survey and then that will filter into

1150
00:45:43,370 --> 00:45:41,760
in-depth interviews that will then

1151
00:45:45,410 --> 00:45:43,380
filter into some psychometric

1152
00:45:49,970 --> 00:45:45,420
assessments that will then filter into

1153
00:45:52,609 --> 00:45:49,980
brain Imaging and subtle energy analysis

1154
00:45:54,530 --> 00:45:52,619
um and the the focus in all of that is

1155
00:45:57,170 --> 00:45:54,540
super experiencers like people who

1156
00:46:01,370 --> 00:45:57,180
experience multiple types of anomalous

1157
00:46:04,309 --> 00:46:01,380
phenomenon and so an individual who has

1158
00:46:06,950 --> 00:46:04,319
had three Bigfoot encounters has a

1159
00:46:09,589 --> 00:46:06,960
series of you know humanoid UFO ET

1160
00:46:11,630 --> 00:46:09,599
encounters and grew up with a ghost in

1161
00:46:12,770 --> 00:46:11,640
their house like that would be like a

1162
00:46:15,109 --> 00:46:12,780
super experience or you know like

1163
00:46:16,790 --> 00:46:15,119
someone who's experienced a wide range

1164
00:46:18,470 --> 00:46:16,800
of anomalous phenomena because

1165
00:46:20,690 --> 00:46:18,480
interestingly some people only

1166
00:46:23,030 --> 00:46:20,700
experience one kind of anomalous

1167
00:46:25,069 --> 00:46:23,040
phenomenon you know on a regular basis

1168
00:46:26,870 --> 00:46:25,079
so I'm very curious why do some people

1169
00:46:29,089 --> 00:46:26,880
only see ghosts some people only

1170
00:46:30,950 --> 00:46:29,099
experience CT some people have Angelic

1171
00:46:33,530 --> 00:46:30,960
encounters you know some people just

1172
00:46:35,510 --> 00:46:33,540
have Clairvoyant experiences you know

1173
00:46:38,870 --> 00:46:35,520
like and then there's some people like

1174
00:46:41,030 --> 00:46:38,880
Chris Bledsoe who just you know have all

1175
00:46:42,950 --> 00:46:41,040
of it going on right and so I want to

1176
00:46:45,589 --> 00:46:42,960
study those individuals because

1177
00:46:47,450 --> 00:46:45,599
similarly to how you know DJ you and

1178
00:46:49,010 --> 00:46:47,460
others here were talking about how it's

1179
00:46:50,390 --> 00:46:49,020
all very interrelated a lot of your

1180
00:46:52,190 --> 00:46:50,400
guests represent a lot of these

1181
00:46:54,470 --> 00:46:52,200
different kind of Vantage points and the

1182
00:46:56,809 --> 00:46:54,480
phenomenon you know these super

1183
00:47:00,050 --> 00:46:56,819
experiencers for me are very interesting

1184
00:47:01,730 --> 00:47:00,060
because they are a place in which the

1185
00:47:03,890 --> 00:47:01,740
full range of the phenomena shows up

1186
00:47:06,290 --> 00:47:03,900
right and so I'm very curious if I

1187
00:47:07,970 --> 00:47:06,300
understand and learn more from them and

1188
00:47:09,770 --> 00:47:07,980
it's also a research project that's

1189
00:47:11,450 --> 00:47:09,780
designed by experiencers that's

1190
00:47:13,849 --> 00:47:11,460
developed by experiencers that's going

1191
00:47:15,410 --> 00:47:13,859
to be you know executed by experiencers

1192
00:47:17,750 --> 00:47:15,420
and it's going to be about and for

1193
00:47:20,510 --> 00:47:17,760
experiencers so I'm really wanting to

1194
00:47:21,770 --> 00:47:20,520
you know break some new ground with this

1195
00:47:24,290 --> 00:47:21,780
kind of research

1196
00:47:26,569 --> 00:47:24,300
is it um I have one very quick question

1197
00:47:28,790 --> 00:47:26,579
which is it fully on site or do you

1198
00:47:30,470 --> 00:47:28,800
offer this remotely at all yeah yeah

1199
00:47:32,870 --> 00:47:30,480
great question I should have said that

1200
00:47:35,390 --> 00:47:32,880
so it's an online degree so people from

1201
00:47:38,690 --> 00:47:35,400
anywhere in the world and take it

1202
00:47:43,250 --> 00:47:41,270
um and Encinitas which is just North of

1203
00:47:46,609 --> 00:47:43,260
San Diego and California

1204
00:47:49,190 --> 00:47:46,619
um and on campus we have uh two Labs we

1205
00:47:51,170 --> 00:47:49,200
have a conscious studies lab and we have

1206
00:47:53,690 --> 00:47:51,180
a subtle energies lab and there's a lot

1207
00:47:55,309 --> 00:47:53,700
of equipment in those labs for studying

1208
00:47:57,589 --> 00:47:55,319
subtle energies and Consciousness like

1209
00:48:01,309 --> 00:47:57,599
EEG machines heart rate variability

1210
00:48:03,410 --> 00:48:01,319
machines and so you know students can go

1211
00:48:05,990 --> 00:48:03,420
to the campus and do the research there

1212
00:48:08,270 --> 00:48:06,000
or if they live elsewhere we can work

1213
00:48:10,790 --> 00:48:08,280
with them to find similar lab facilities

1214
00:48:13,130 --> 00:48:10,800
in other places to you know so like

1215
00:48:14,690 --> 00:48:13,140
folks are on the East Coast you know I'm

1216
00:48:16,010 --> 00:48:14,700
in conversations with the Monroe

1217
00:48:18,410 --> 00:48:16,020
Institute

1218
00:48:19,849 --> 00:48:18,420
um to explore using some of their labs

1219
00:48:21,109 --> 00:48:19,859
for this and some of the people involved

1220
00:48:23,530 --> 00:48:21,119
in that work

1221
00:48:26,030 --> 00:48:23,540
beautiful thank you so much

1222
00:48:28,730 --> 00:48:26,040
yeah we're gonna I think Nathan will run

1223
00:48:30,650 --> 00:48:28,740
uh show the the promo of Sean's course

1224
00:48:31,849 --> 00:48:30,660
Nathan Scott something queued up for you

1225
00:48:33,650 --> 00:48:31,859
here

1226
00:48:35,089 --> 00:48:33,660
um because you you guys can take this I

1227
00:48:38,270 --> 00:48:35,099
think it's a little over four hundred

1228
00:48:40,130 --> 00:48:38,280
dollars for this course which is quite

1229
00:48:40,730 --> 00:48:40,140
affordable

1230
00:48:43,609 --> 00:48:40,740
um

1231
00:48:47,150 --> 00:48:43,619
I think he's yeah so in this next week

1232
00:48:49,430 --> 00:48:47,160
I'm launching a a new course that's a

1233
00:48:51,230 --> 00:48:49,440
public course that's not connected to

1234
00:48:53,089 --> 00:48:51,240
the university

1235
00:48:55,430 --> 00:48:53,099
um and so there's there's no tests

1236
00:48:57,410 --> 00:48:55,440
there's no papers to write it's um it's

1237
00:48:58,609 --> 00:48:57,420
a six-month um community of practice

1238
00:49:00,530 --> 00:48:58,619
course

1239
00:49:06,410 --> 00:49:00,540
um I can say more about that but Nathan

1240
00:49:10,010 --> 00:49:08,030
I think he's on mute all right guys

1241
00:49:11,450 --> 00:49:10,020
let's unmute uh yeah just one second I

1242
00:49:12,890 --> 00:49:11,460
wanted to put the image up for the

1243
00:49:16,910 --> 00:49:12,900
course so I'm just gonna get my screen

1244
00:49:22,490 --> 00:49:20,569
and um so yeah we we uh read about it

1245
00:49:25,130 --> 00:49:22,500
they're real the titles alone are going

1246
00:49:28,250 --> 00:49:25,140
to be very intriguing to anyone who's

1247
00:49:29,930 --> 00:49:28,260
sort of interested in this topic oh

1248
00:49:31,730 --> 00:49:29,940
there it goes Nathan's going to be

1249
00:49:34,550 --> 00:49:31,740
popping up here yeah

1250
00:49:36,829 --> 00:49:34,560
um and so and it's very affordable at

1251
00:49:39,829 --> 00:49:36,839
just over 400 like it's it's very

1252
00:49:41,930 --> 00:49:39,839
accessible to most anybody there you go

1253
00:49:43,569 --> 00:49:41,940
join us for EXO studies Foundation six

1254
00:49:46,250 --> 00:49:43,579
month course in developing

1255
00:49:48,470 --> 00:49:46,260
multi-dimensional awareness and it looks

1256
00:49:52,490 --> 00:49:48,480
like it's April 3rd through November

1257
00:49:54,470 --> 00:49:52,500
19th of 2023. can I get it amen that's

1258
00:49:58,069 --> 00:49:54,480
fantastic very exciting

1259
00:50:00,410 --> 00:49:58,079
yeah so it launches on Monday but it's

1260
00:50:02,210 --> 00:50:00,420
because it's a six-month course people

1261
00:50:04,190 --> 00:50:02,220
some people will be joining it you know

1262
00:50:06,829 --> 00:50:04,200
one two even three months in and that's

1263
00:50:08,450 --> 00:50:06,839
fine because we record all the sessions

1264
00:50:11,089 --> 00:50:08,460
and post them with links and so people

1265
00:50:13,190 --> 00:50:11,099
can get access to that and I've run a

1266
00:50:15,230 --> 00:50:13,200
number of these in the past in fact you

1267
00:50:18,410 --> 00:50:15,240
know Jay King who was on you know before

1268
00:50:21,290 --> 00:50:18,420
me he did the year-long EXO studies

1269
00:50:24,290 --> 00:50:21,300
course and you know and and also a

1270
00:50:27,470 --> 00:50:24,300
six-month course on uh subtle subtle

1271
00:50:30,710 --> 00:50:27,480
census in multiple worlds and

1272
00:50:32,809 --> 00:50:30,720
you know it is only 4.95 which is you

1273
00:50:35,569 --> 00:50:32,819
know really really affordable for six

1274
00:50:37,430 --> 00:50:35,579
month you know program I mean going to a

1275
00:50:40,069 --> 00:50:37,440
day-long workshop usually it's like 350

1276
00:50:43,190 --> 00:50:40,079
to 500 right so I've tried to make it

1277
00:50:47,329 --> 00:50:43,200
really available for folks and we're

1278
00:50:49,010 --> 00:50:47,339
gonna focus on 10 Core Concepts of EXO

1279
00:50:52,250 --> 00:50:49,020
studies that I've been developing over

1280
00:50:54,250 --> 00:50:52,260
the last three years and on the course

1281
00:50:57,049 --> 00:50:54,260
website if you go to

1282
00:50:58,730 --> 00:50:57,059
exostudies.org and then click on you

1283
00:51:00,230 --> 00:50:58,740
know current course there's a

1284
00:51:03,109 --> 00:51:00,240
description of the course but then you

1285
00:51:05,630 --> 00:51:03,119
scroll down there's 15 key Concepts that

1286
00:51:07,309 --> 00:51:05,640
I've been developing and you know so you

1287
00:51:09,349 --> 00:51:07,319
can take a look at those and those are

1288
00:51:11,450 --> 00:51:09,359
kind of going to be the focus of the

1289
00:51:13,849 --> 00:51:11,460
course and I think of these Concepts as

1290
00:51:16,970 --> 00:51:13,859
like the integral tools or part of the

1291
00:51:18,950 --> 00:51:16,980
integral toolkit to making sense of the

1292
00:51:20,950 --> 00:51:18,960
phenomenon and you know so there are

1293
00:51:25,250 --> 00:51:20,960
things like metadisciplinarity

1294
00:51:27,230 --> 00:51:25,260
doubleness Mutual enactment Dynamic

1295
00:51:29,329 --> 00:51:27,240
um our wild Cosmos

1296
00:51:30,710 --> 00:51:29,339
um even also just the notion of wild

1297
00:51:32,030 --> 00:51:30,720
being

1298
00:51:33,890 --> 00:51:32,040
um you know so there's these various

1299
00:51:35,390 --> 00:51:33,900
Concepts that I've been developing that

1300
00:51:37,309 --> 00:51:35,400
have emerged out of this

1301
00:51:38,809 --> 00:51:37,319
interdisciplinary approach to

1302
00:51:41,089 --> 00:51:38,819
understanding and engaging the

1303
00:51:42,829 --> 00:51:41,099
phenomenon and so every two weeks we're

1304
00:51:45,170 --> 00:51:42,839
going to dive deep into one of these

1305
00:51:48,170 --> 00:51:45,180
Concepts and there's meditations and

1306
00:51:50,329 --> 00:51:48,180
practices there's already 75 people in

1307
00:51:52,190 --> 00:51:50,339
the course and you know so we got a

1308
00:51:54,710 --> 00:51:52,200
great group of folks it's very Lively

1309
00:51:56,990 --> 00:51:54,720
and it's all walks of life we have

1310
00:51:59,809 --> 00:51:57,000
atheists and marxists and Christians and

1311
00:52:01,970 --> 00:51:59,819
Buddhists and new agers and people who

1312
00:52:03,650 --> 00:52:01,980
don't know yet where they fit you know

1313
00:52:05,750 --> 00:52:03,660
we have people who have experienced

1314
00:52:07,670 --> 00:52:05,760
ghosts and ETS and abductions and

1315
00:52:09,349 --> 00:52:07,680
Bigfoot and have never had any

1316
00:52:11,809 --> 00:52:09,359
experience but think all this is really

1317
00:52:14,809 --> 00:52:11,819
fascinating right and so we it's a very

1318
00:52:16,730 --> 00:52:14,819
loving open space and it's also kind of

1319
00:52:18,290 --> 00:52:16,740
an intellectual space so it says

1320
00:52:20,930 --> 00:52:18,300
interesting blend

1321
00:52:22,910 --> 00:52:20,940
um of of those qualities which in itself

1322
00:52:24,770 --> 00:52:22,920
is pretty unique

1323
00:52:28,190 --> 00:52:24,780
we'll tweet out all this information

1324
00:52:30,230 --> 00:52:28,200
from both my my Twitter and the cab

1325
00:52:32,630 --> 00:52:30,240
Twitter so that people know where to go

1326
00:52:34,670 --> 00:52:32,640
and and sign up and and what's involved

1327
00:52:36,049 --> 00:52:34,680
in the in the course so we'll we'll take

1328
00:52:38,510 --> 00:52:36,059
care plus it'll be in the show notes

1329
00:52:41,329 --> 00:52:38,520
anyway uh let's get to our brother from

1330
00:52:43,790 --> 00:52:41,339
Yorkshire Davey Johnston yeah baby what

1331
00:52:46,069 --> 00:52:43,800
do you got for us so Sean before my

1332
00:52:48,109 --> 00:52:46,079
question I will I just want to say thank

1333
00:52:50,510 --> 00:52:48,119
you for two things that you are leading

1334
00:52:52,849 --> 00:52:50,520
that make me so happy the first is using

1335
00:52:55,130 --> 00:52:52,859
the word non-human intelligence I think

1336
00:52:57,770 --> 00:52:55,140
it's a really nice descriptor that

1337
00:52:59,630 --> 00:52:57,780
doesn't contain and limit I come from a

1338
00:53:01,370 --> 00:52:59,640
Linguistics background so words are very

1339
00:53:03,650 --> 00:53:01,380
important to me

1340
00:53:04,910 --> 00:53:03,660
um and the second thing is I love the

1341
00:53:07,250 --> 00:53:04,920
fact you're taking an integrative

1342
00:53:09,349 --> 00:53:07,260
approach so often what I've seen from

1343
00:53:11,450 --> 00:53:09,359
academics is that we Channel and funnel

1344
00:53:14,329 --> 00:53:11,460
down these narrower and narrower focuses

1345
00:53:16,069 --> 00:53:14,339
so thank you for both of those and in

1346
00:53:17,630 --> 00:53:16,079
total contradiction to my coaching

1347
00:53:23,049 --> 00:53:17,640
training I'm gonna ask the two-pronged

1348
00:53:29,390 --> 00:53:27,549
so what I often see is that we have this

1349
00:53:31,250 --> 00:53:29,400
expectation perhaps within the

1350
00:53:32,990 --> 00:53:31,260
Paranormal world that this non-human

1351
00:53:35,930 --> 00:53:33,000
intelligence sits above us

1352
00:53:38,390 --> 00:53:35,940
in the forms of gods angels Jain aliens

1353
00:53:40,250 --> 00:53:38,400
the spirit world

1354
00:53:42,770 --> 00:53:40,260
with your background in animal

1355
00:53:45,970 --> 00:53:42,780
Consciousness as well

1356
00:53:48,410 --> 00:53:45,980
do you feel that this perhaps

1357
00:53:51,049 --> 00:53:48,420
non-human intelligence should be broader

1358
00:53:54,049 --> 00:53:51,059
to extend to things that are level with

1359
00:53:56,210 --> 00:53:54,059
us below us around us everywhere

1360
00:54:00,049 --> 00:53:56,220
and if so

1361
00:54:01,609 --> 00:54:00,059
does that the lack of thought or archive

1362
00:54:04,130 --> 00:54:01,619
acceptance that it exists at these other

1363
00:54:07,849 --> 00:54:04,140
levels limit our ability to interact

1364
00:54:14,210 --> 00:54:12,470
yeah so I think this is I have this one

1365
00:54:17,450 --> 00:54:14,220
of the concepts in the course and that

1366
00:54:18,970 --> 00:54:17,460
I've been developing is around Galactic

1367
00:54:22,670 --> 00:54:18,980
post-humanism

1368
00:54:25,010 --> 00:54:22,680
and you know which is fancy term someone

1369
00:54:27,290 --> 00:54:25,020
inspired by cripples

1370
00:54:30,770 --> 00:54:27,300
um use of superhumanism

1371
00:54:33,650 --> 00:54:30,780
and that concept is pointing to the

1372
00:54:35,750 --> 00:54:33,660
reality that we're about to undergo a

1373
00:54:38,210 --> 00:54:35,760
major shift in terms of our identity as

1374
00:54:40,250 --> 00:54:38,220
human beings and as you know citizens on

1375
00:54:43,609 --> 00:54:40,260
this planet

1376
00:54:46,370 --> 00:54:43,619
um and and that we have to widen what we

1377
00:54:48,349 --> 00:54:46,380
think of in terms of our our Galactic

1378
00:54:50,329 --> 00:54:48,359
brothers and sisters right you know and

1379
00:54:52,549 --> 00:54:50,339
and or even Celestial brothers and

1380
00:54:54,410 --> 00:54:52,559
sisters or even the the Fey brothers and

1381
00:54:56,210 --> 00:54:54,420
sisters all right all these non-human

1382
00:54:58,609 --> 00:54:56,220
intelligences and you know I think

1383
00:55:00,170 --> 00:54:58,619
you're absolutely right you know both in

1384
00:55:02,210 --> 00:55:00,180
terms of animal Consciousness there are

1385
00:55:04,549 --> 00:55:02,220
many animals that have better memory

1386
00:55:06,770 --> 00:55:04,559
than us that have better

1387
00:55:08,390 --> 00:55:06,780
um capacity for certain types of

1388
00:55:09,790 --> 00:55:08,400
Consciousness and

1389
00:55:13,069 --> 00:55:09,800
um

1390
00:55:15,109 --> 00:55:13,079
features or you know kind of ways of

1391
00:55:17,089 --> 00:55:15,119
perceiving and experiencing the world so

1392
00:55:18,290 --> 00:55:17,099
we we're increasingly aware of how

1393
00:55:20,030 --> 00:55:18,300
there's some animals that are much

1394
00:55:22,849 --> 00:55:20,040
better than us in certain types of

1395
00:55:25,609 --> 00:55:22,859
mental skills and capacities

1396
00:55:27,650 --> 00:55:25,619
um and then likewise you know you know

1397
00:55:29,990 --> 00:55:27,660
there's some that we Excel you know in

1398
00:55:32,150 --> 00:55:30,000
certain areas then over them right so

1399
00:55:33,829 --> 00:55:32,160
it's not a hierarchical kind of

1400
00:55:36,589 --> 00:55:33,839
arrangement it's a much more Dynamic and

1401
00:55:37,790 --> 00:55:36,599
complex Arrangement and the same is true

1402
00:55:39,890 --> 00:55:37,800
for

1403
00:55:42,650 --> 00:55:39,900
um non-human intelligence says you know

1404
00:55:44,270 --> 00:55:42,660
like there there are many that are just

1405
00:55:46,069 --> 00:55:44,280
you know kind of on equal footing with

1406
00:55:47,870 --> 00:55:46,079
us there's some that are less evolved

1407
00:55:49,730 --> 00:55:47,880
than us in certain respects and and some

1408
00:55:51,470 --> 00:55:49,740
that are more involved than us so we

1409
00:55:53,569 --> 00:55:51,480
have to get much more specific of like

1410
00:55:56,750 --> 00:55:53,579
what are exactly are we talking about

1411
00:55:59,990 --> 00:55:56,760
like what quality of Consciousness or

1412
00:56:02,030 --> 00:56:00,000
embodied awareness or you know uh you

1413
00:56:04,069 --> 00:56:02,040
know spiritual experience are we talking

1414
00:56:06,650 --> 00:56:04,079
about when you make a just a global

1415
00:56:09,049 --> 00:56:06,660
statement like humans are this and et's

1416
00:56:12,170 --> 00:56:09,059
or that or you know fairy beans are this

1417
00:56:13,609 --> 00:56:12,180
like it just it's a non-starter right

1418
00:56:15,650 --> 00:56:13,619
it's like and this is why I love the

1419
00:56:17,030 --> 00:56:15,660
State of Consciousness

1420
00:56:19,309 --> 00:56:17,040
um because we have to just we have to

1421
00:56:22,250 --> 00:56:19,319
get into the weeds and like tease apart

1422
00:56:23,990 --> 00:56:22,260
some distinctions and this is a big part

1423
00:56:28,010 --> 00:56:24,000
of EXO studies because part of what I

1424
00:56:30,109 --> 00:56:28,020
felt was lacking in the UAP space is we

1425
00:56:31,730 --> 00:56:30,119
don't have the integrative distinctions

1426
00:56:34,190 --> 00:56:31,740
and Frameworks to actually have the

1427
00:56:37,130 --> 00:56:34,200
conversations we need to have so we

1428
00:56:39,410 --> 00:56:37,140
often talk about the Grays well

1429
00:56:41,630 --> 00:56:39,420
depending on what experiences you talk

1430
00:56:44,210 --> 00:56:41,640
to there seems to be anywhere between 20

1431
00:56:45,770 --> 00:56:44,220
and 100 different types of Grays right

1432
00:56:47,690 --> 00:56:45,780
so if we're just talking about grades

1433
00:56:51,109 --> 00:56:47,700
what are we talking about right it's

1434
00:56:54,710 --> 00:56:51,119
like so there's a level of diversity

1435
00:56:57,530 --> 00:56:54,720
um that is occurring that our our

1436
00:56:59,750 --> 00:56:57,540
language and our distinctions is not

1437
00:57:01,849 --> 00:56:59,760
honoring so I think we we have to get

1438
00:57:04,430 --> 00:57:01,859
you know there's this great line in um

1439
00:57:06,770 --> 00:57:04,440
The Giver like at the movie I think it's

1440
00:57:08,990 --> 00:57:06,780
also in the book where there's they're

1441
00:57:10,910 --> 00:57:09,000
like Precision of language Precision of

1442
00:57:13,190 --> 00:57:10,920
language and I often think that's like

1443
00:57:15,109 --> 00:57:13,200
we have to get much more precise in how

1444
00:57:18,230 --> 00:57:15,119
we talk about these things and this is

1445
00:57:20,089 --> 00:57:18,240
why in our wild Cosmos when I did this

1446
00:57:23,270 --> 00:57:20,099
meta-analysis of non-human intelligences

1447
00:57:25,670 --> 00:57:23,280
I looked at 12 different sources

1448
00:57:27,230 --> 00:57:25,680
um in the UFO literature and looked at

1449
00:57:29,510 --> 00:57:27,240
what are the different types of beings

1450
00:57:32,089 --> 00:57:29,520
they describe you know from kind of an

1451
00:57:33,650 --> 00:57:32,099
experiential perspective and I made this

1452
00:57:35,270 --> 00:57:33,660
Matrix and you know there's you know

1453
00:57:36,710 --> 00:57:35,280
basically about 30 different types of

1454
00:57:39,410 --> 00:57:36,720
beans

1455
00:57:41,089 --> 00:57:39,420
um and you know there's a wide range and

1456
00:57:43,490 --> 00:57:41,099
yet we tend to just think of there's

1457
00:57:46,490 --> 00:57:43,500
Grays and maybe you know

1458
00:57:48,230 --> 00:57:46,500
um nordics and reptilians and mantid

1459
00:57:51,410 --> 00:57:48,240
beans right like those are like the big

1460
00:57:53,210 --> 00:57:51,420
five and the the UFO space and there is

1461
00:57:55,730 --> 00:57:53,220
something interesting about those beans

1462
00:57:58,250 --> 00:57:55,740
because they do seem to show up across a

1463
00:58:00,410 --> 00:57:58,260
much wider range of contexts than other

1464
00:58:02,329 --> 00:58:00,420
types of beans you know so so that

1465
00:58:04,790 --> 00:58:02,339
raises for me interesting philosophical

1466
00:58:07,790 --> 00:58:04,800
and ontological questions like do they

1467
00:58:12,109 --> 00:58:07,800
have do those beings have more capacity

1468
00:58:14,030 --> 00:58:12,119
to trans on to travel across you know

1469
00:58:16,430 --> 00:58:14,040
domains and dimensions and states of

1470
00:58:18,349 --> 00:58:16,440
Consciousness whereas you know and if

1471
00:58:20,390 --> 00:58:18,359
you have a DMT experience and you

1472
00:58:22,910 --> 00:58:20,400
encounter you know self-transforming

1473
00:58:25,490 --> 00:58:22,920
machine elves those beans seem to only

1474
00:58:26,569 --> 00:58:25,500
occur under the influence of DMT now

1475
00:58:29,089 --> 00:58:26,579
that doesn't mean they are not

1476
00:58:31,609 --> 00:58:29,099
ontologically real because DMT seems to

1477
00:58:34,010 --> 00:58:31,619
take you to a realm where those beings

1478
00:58:35,390 --> 00:58:34,020
live and exist and are in some important

1479
00:58:36,890 --> 00:58:35,400
way independent of your own

1480
00:58:39,829 --> 00:58:36,900
Consciousness

1481
00:58:42,289 --> 00:58:39,839
um you know so so we need more

1482
00:58:44,809 --> 00:58:42,299
integrative Frameworks and part of that

1483
00:58:47,809 --> 00:58:44,819
process is we have to tease things apart

1484
00:58:50,690 --> 00:58:47,819
right and we have to differentiate and

1485
00:58:53,510 --> 00:58:50,700
then we can integrate right and so you

1486
00:58:55,730 --> 00:58:53,520
know I think and this is part of what I

1487
00:58:57,950 --> 00:58:55,740
I feel is coming down the pipe right

1488
00:58:59,089 --> 00:58:57,960
it's like with the US government you

1489
00:59:02,390 --> 00:58:59,099
know and everything that's happening

1490
00:59:05,530 --> 00:59:02,400
around kind of a a reckoning around kind

1491
00:59:09,650 --> 00:59:05,540
of the the presence of these visitors

1492
00:59:12,109 --> 00:59:09,660
that I I think you know the in large

1493
00:59:14,150 --> 00:59:12,119
part based on Hollywood people have in

1494
00:59:16,069 --> 00:59:14,160
their minds like a very like just like

1495
00:59:18,410 --> 00:59:16,079
us they just think there's like two or

1496
00:59:20,630 --> 00:59:18,420
three types of beans visiting us right

1497
00:59:22,549 --> 00:59:20,640
it seems that we're being visited by

1498
00:59:24,530 --> 00:59:22,559
thousands of different types of beans

1499
00:59:26,390 --> 00:59:24,540
and some of them have a more constant

1500
00:59:28,250 --> 00:59:26,400
presence and some just kind of come by

1501
00:59:29,870 --> 00:59:28,260
you know once every few hundred years or

1502
00:59:31,970 --> 00:59:29,880
whatever right like I think there's a

1503
00:59:34,250 --> 00:59:31,980
wide range of kind of what's going on

1504
00:59:37,130 --> 00:59:34,260
but I I don't think we have the

1505
00:59:39,370 --> 00:59:37,140
cosmology in place at least in the

1506
00:59:43,789 --> 00:59:39,380
western you know kind of global context

1507
00:59:46,250 --> 00:59:43,799
to really understand and appreciate how

1508
00:59:48,230 --> 00:59:46,260
much variety there is out there

1509
00:59:50,210 --> 00:59:48,240
um and and in that variety you know just

1510
00:59:51,890 --> 00:59:50,220
coming back to your core question there

1511
00:59:54,049 --> 00:59:51,900
are many et's that are less developed

1512
00:59:55,730 --> 00:59:54,059
than us that are more developed than us

1513
00:59:58,250 --> 00:59:55,740
that are just developed differently than

1514
00:59:59,569 --> 00:59:58,260
us right and this is also where Wilbur's

1515
01:00:01,549 --> 00:59:59,579
framework I think is helpful because

1516
01:00:03,829 --> 01:00:01,559
Wilbur provides a really powerful

1517
01:00:05,450 --> 01:00:03,839
framework in integral theory of what are

1518
01:00:07,309 --> 01:00:05,460
the elements of the human being that

1519
01:00:08,690 --> 01:00:07,319
grow and transform and develop so

1520
01:00:10,549 --> 01:00:08,700
there's a model around different states

1521
01:00:12,470 --> 01:00:10,559
of Consciousness there's a model around

1522
01:00:14,030 --> 01:00:12,480
different levels of development there's

1523
01:00:16,609 --> 01:00:14,040
a model around different types or

1524
01:00:19,430 --> 01:00:16,619
personalities or orientations or Styles

1525
01:00:22,190 --> 01:00:19,440
you know like so I think we need a much

1526
01:00:23,870 --> 01:00:22,200
more sophisticated psychology and

1527
01:00:26,630 --> 01:00:23,880
understanding of psychology to even

1528
01:00:28,849 --> 01:00:26,640
start to talk about alien Consciousness

1529
01:00:31,789 --> 01:00:28,859
right you know so I'll stop there but

1530
01:00:34,609 --> 01:00:31,799
those are some initial thoughts

1531
01:00:36,049 --> 01:00:34,619
yeah I was going to say um what you were

1532
01:00:38,390 --> 01:00:36,059
talking about earlier with super

1533
01:00:40,130 --> 01:00:38,400
experiencers and I thought man and I

1534
01:00:41,690 --> 01:00:40,140
don't I don't mean this tongue-in-cheek

1535
01:00:43,970 --> 01:00:41,700
I really would love to see what would

1536
01:00:46,130 --> 01:00:43,980
happen if Chris Bledsoe went on a

1537
01:00:47,990 --> 01:00:46,140
Bigfoot experience uh expedition in

1538
01:00:49,789 --> 01:00:48,000
North Carolina with an experienced

1539
01:00:52,549 --> 01:00:49,799
researcher and just to see what would

1540
01:00:56,809 --> 01:00:52,559
happen right literally as as a you know

1541
01:00:57,849 --> 01:00:56,819
noetic scientific experiment so

1542
01:01:00,289 --> 01:00:57,859
um

1543
01:01:02,569 --> 01:01:00,299
I asked him I said you know because I I

1544
01:01:04,069 --> 01:01:02,579
sent him I met him at the Monroe

1545
01:01:06,710 --> 01:01:04,079
Institute

1546
01:01:08,030 --> 01:01:06,720
um and he talks about that experience of

1547
01:01:10,789 --> 01:01:08,040
being at the moments of two at the end

1548
01:01:13,370 --> 01:01:10,799
of his recent book which is really great

1549
01:01:15,589 --> 01:01:13,380
um and so I followed up with um after

1550
01:01:17,150 --> 01:01:15,599
that event and asked him you know like a

1551
01:01:18,890 --> 01:01:17,160
list of questions have you experienced

1552
01:01:21,770 --> 01:01:18,900
this this this this was like 30

1553
01:01:25,609 --> 01:01:21,780
questions and and I presented this as a

1554
01:01:26,690 --> 01:01:25,619
slide in my New York October talk and I

1555
01:01:29,390 --> 01:01:26,700
asked him have you ever experienced

1556
01:01:31,549 --> 01:01:29,400
Bigfoot and he said only in dreams but

1557
01:01:34,069 --> 01:01:31,559
that the dreams were you know of a

1558
01:01:36,710 --> 01:01:34,079
quality that suggested it wasn't just

1559
01:01:38,450 --> 01:01:36,720
you know your normal dream right so so

1560
01:01:40,309 --> 01:01:38,460
yeah so you know there's some kind of

1561
01:01:42,170 --> 01:01:40,319
connection he seems to have even with

1562
01:01:45,289 --> 01:01:42,180
those types of beans

1563
01:01:48,410 --> 01:01:45,299
the interesting thing is that unlike

1564
01:01:50,870 --> 01:01:48,420
most people who can't necessarily

1565
01:01:53,210 --> 01:01:50,880
On Demand have an experience happen as

1566
01:01:57,349 --> 01:01:53,220
Chris can with

1567
01:02:00,170 --> 01:01:57,359
um non-human intelligences Etc no

1568
01:02:01,789 --> 01:02:00,180
um a lot of people can and have gone if

1569
01:02:03,530 --> 01:02:01,799
you go to the right area can have a

1570
01:02:05,390 --> 01:02:03,540
Bigfoot experience and that that's so

1571
01:02:07,549 --> 01:02:05,400
that's what I mean is that um if he

1572
01:02:09,470 --> 01:02:07,559
would get with the right researcher they

1573
01:02:11,630 --> 01:02:09,480
could make it happen in North Georgia or

1574
01:02:13,069 --> 01:02:11,640
or even you know North Carolina is quite

1575
01:02:15,289 --> 01:02:13,079
a hotbed

1576
01:02:17,690 --> 01:02:15,299
um so here we are so we're we're nearly

1577
01:02:19,490 --> 01:02:17,700
at the bottom of the hour so I want to

1578
01:02:21,770 --> 01:02:19,500
get another round of questions from

1579
01:02:23,990 --> 01:02:21,780
everybody a little more uh quick hitter

1580
01:02:25,609 --> 01:02:24,000
but I wanted to ask you

1581
01:02:29,030 --> 01:02:25,619
um you talked about animal Consciousness

1582
01:02:32,270 --> 01:02:29,040
and in looking at hypotheses of

1583
01:02:35,410 --> 01:02:32,280
potentially why the phenomenon would

1584
01:02:39,109 --> 01:02:35,420
want something like a cattle Jawbone or

1585
01:02:41,270 --> 01:02:39,119
pieces of different biologies we we are

1586
01:02:43,370 --> 01:02:41,280
we obviously have a suspicion of why

1587
01:02:46,010 --> 01:02:43,380
they would want that from humans but do

1588
01:02:48,349 --> 01:02:46,020
you think that it's possible or what do

1589
01:02:49,549 --> 01:02:48,359
you think of that they want do you think

1590
01:02:51,770 --> 01:02:49,559
that there's a potential that they're

1591
01:02:53,089 --> 01:02:51,780
harvesting animal consciousnesses as

1592
01:02:56,930 --> 01:02:53,099
well

1593
01:02:58,250 --> 01:02:56,940
a a you know a specific nhi

1594
01:03:00,710 --> 01:02:58,260
yeah

1595
01:03:03,109 --> 01:03:00,720
um when you when you look across

1596
01:03:04,670 --> 01:03:03,119
experience for literature and RNA six

1597
01:03:08,809 --> 01:03:04,680
killer clerk has a number of these

1598
01:03:12,130 --> 01:03:08,819
stories in her four volumes uh you find

1599
01:03:16,010 --> 01:03:12,140
examples of of

1600
01:03:18,170 --> 01:03:16,020
assumingly ET beans and craft basically

1601
01:03:21,109 --> 01:03:18,180
picking up and collecting a wide range

1602
01:03:23,030 --> 01:03:21,119
of plant and animal species some of

1603
01:03:25,789 --> 01:03:23,040
which seem to be for scientific purposes

1604
01:03:28,010 --> 01:03:25,799
and kind of a benign you know way some

1605
01:03:30,349 --> 01:03:28,020
to be seem to be more nefarious and

1606
01:03:33,410 --> 01:03:30,359
suspect and and you know have more kind

1607
01:03:35,870 --> 01:03:33,420
of a maybe a weird or curious genetic

1608
01:03:37,190 --> 01:03:35,880
kind of kind of focus to what's going on

1609
01:03:38,930 --> 01:03:37,200
there

1610
01:03:41,390 --> 01:03:38,940
um some you know seem like they're

1611
01:03:43,490 --> 01:03:41,400
collecting them for zoos elsewhere if

1612
01:03:45,109 --> 01:03:43,500
you will you know so it seems like and

1613
01:03:47,030 --> 01:03:45,119
this again like when you get into the

1614
01:03:49,190 --> 01:03:47,040
abduction phenomenon

1615
01:03:51,890 --> 01:03:49,200
again we often talk about it in a

1616
01:03:53,690 --> 01:03:51,900
singular orientation as if there's one

1617
01:03:55,490 --> 01:03:53,700
abduction you know

1618
01:03:57,589 --> 01:03:55,500
um one type of bean one type of gray

1619
01:03:59,089 --> 01:03:57,599
that's doing all the abductions when you

1620
01:04:00,890 --> 01:03:59,099
really look at the literature it seems

1621
01:04:03,650 --> 01:04:00,900
that there's anywhere between 10 and 20

1622
01:04:06,470 --> 01:04:03,660
different abduction

1623
01:04:09,410 --> 01:04:06,480
programs with you know a range of

1624
01:04:11,690 --> 01:04:09,420
motives and and being done by a wide

1625
01:04:14,390 --> 01:04:11,700
range of beans many of which are gray

1626
01:04:16,010 --> 01:04:14,400
like in nature but might not all be the

1627
01:04:17,750 --> 01:04:16,020
classic gray

1628
01:04:19,309 --> 01:04:17,760
um so similarly around the animals it

1629
01:04:20,809 --> 01:04:19,319
seems like yeah a lot of different

1630
01:04:22,730 --> 01:04:20,819
beings are coming here and they're

1631
01:04:24,470 --> 01:04:22,740
curious and interacting and you know

1632
01:04:25,370 --> 01:04:24,480
dealing with our animals

1633
01:04:27,410 --> 01:04:25,380
um even

1634
01:04:30,530 --> 01:04:27,420
um you know in the recent um 4-1-1

1635
01:04:32,870 --> 01:04:30,540
missing UFO connection yeah David

1636
01:04:35,390 --> 01:04:32,880
Pilates he's talking about a guy gets on

1637
01:04:38,750 --> 01:04:35,400
the UFO and there's elk on the UFO

1638
01:04:40,609 --> 01:04:38,760
this guy like whoa yeah those workers

1639
01:04:42,109 --> 01:04:40,619
saw them grab an elk right up out of a

1640
01:04:44,990 --> 01:04:42,119
field and take it and haul it away

1641
01:04:46,670 --> 01:04:45,000
underneath the craft right yeah so

1642
01:04:48,109 --> 01:04:46,680
um and you know and so I think there's

1643
01:04:50,450 --> 01:04:48,119
been a and there's been a lot of other

1644
01:04:52,190 --> 01:04:50,460
eyewitness accounts of similar types of

1645
01:04:55,490 --> 01:04:52,200
experiences so

1646
01:04:56,809 --> 01:04:55,500
um you know if you look at the

1647
01:04:59,510 --> 01:04:56,819
um you know

1648
01:05:01,609 --> 01:04:59,520
I I think they're it's not just humans

1649
01:05:03,589 --> 01:05:01,619
that are involved in this you know and I

1650
01:05:06,170 --> 01:05:03,599
I think you know there's you know the

1651
01:05:09,289 --> 01:05:06,180
cattle mutilation phenomena is really

1652
01:05:11,030 --> 01:05:09,299
really bizarre right like I've not seen

1653
01:05:13,430 --> 01:05:11,040
too many good

1654
01:05:15,829 --> 01:05:13,440
um integrative analyzes of that that

1655
01:05:17,390 --> 01:05:15,839
seems to in part be

1656
01:05:19,430 --> 01:05:17,400
um you know tracking environmental

1657
01:05:20,990 --> 01:05:19,440
toxins and you know so it's kind of like

1658
01:05:22,549 --> 01:05:21,000
they're the canary in the coal mine

1659
01:05:24,349 --> 01:05:22,559
right like so there's some you know

1660
01:05:25,670 --> 01:05:24,359
weather you know different diseases and

1661
01:05:27,710 --> 01:05:25,680
you know so they're

1662
01:05:29,150 --> 01:05:27,720
um but it's it seems like it's even more

1663
01:05:31,250 --> 01:05:29,160
than that and not all of it can be

1664
01:05:34,309 --> 01:05:31,260
reduced or understood through even that

1665
01:05:36,049 --> 01:05:34,319
frame you know so this is why I think in

1666
01:05:38,750 --> 01:05:36,059
most of these topics whether we're

1667
01:05:41,089 --> 01:05:38,760
talking about the kinds of VTS or the

1668
01:05:43,130 --> 01:05:41,099
the kinds of craft or the kinds of

1669
01:05:44,750 --> 01:05:43,140
abductions or reasons for abductions or

1670
01:05:47,089 --> 01:05:44,760
the reasons they might be taking animals

1671
01:05:49,789 --> 01:05:47,099
I my experiences there's anywhere

1672
01:05:53,270 --> 01:05:49,799
between three and ten different possible

1673
01:05:55,130 --> 01:05:53,280
viable reasons and like we have to keep

1674
01:05:58,130 --> 01:05:55,140
kind of complexifying the conversation

1675
01:06:00,650 --> 01:05:58,140
we have to keep opening to to the other

1676
01:06:02,930 --> 01:06:00,660
layers and keep avoiding trying to

1677
01:06:04,670 --> 01:06:02,940
explain it through a singular narrative

1678
01:06:07,069 --> 01:06:04,680
because the phenomena just seems to have

1679
01:06:09,230 --> 01:06:07,079
so many different things going on and we

1680
01:06:11,809 --> 01:06:09,240
as humans always kind of want Occam's

1681
01:06:15,170 --> 01:06:11,819
razor some simple you know elegant way

1682
01:06:17,089 --> 01:06:15,180
to describe what's going on and and you

1683
01:06:19,789 --> 01:06:17,099
know that might be part of the

1684
01:06:21,890 --> 01:06:19,799
phenomenon in that context but my

1685
01:06:24,650 --> 01:06:21,900
experience as a trained interval is it's

1686
01:06:26,809 --> 01:06:24,660
almost always never a majority or even

1687
01:06:29,089 --> 01:06:26,819
all of the phenomenon you know and so we

1688
01:06:31,130 --> 01:06:29,099
we have to keep expanding the

1689
01:06:33,650 --> 01:06:31,140
possibilities of what's going on in

1690
01:06:35,690 --> 01:06:33,660
these various you know discussions yeah

1691
01:06:38,510 --> 01:06:35,700
not not that simple right it's it's not

1692
01:06:40,730 --> 01:06:38,520
and and I didn't mean I probably framed

1693
01:06:43,309 --> 01:06:40,740
the question incorrectly in making it

1694
01:06:45,109 --> 01:06:43,319
simple I was simply sort of wondering if

1695
01:06:47,029 --> 01:06:45,119
you think that that there is a

1696
01:06:48,890 --> 01:06:47,039
possibility that they may be trying to

1697
01:06:51,950 --> 01:06:48,900
use that animal Consciousness for

1698
01:06:54,770 --> 01:06:51,960
something if that is a possibility among

1699
01:06:56,569 --> 01:06:54,780
perhaps hundreds or thousands yeah I

1700
01:06:59,630 --> 01:06:56,579
think so okay yeah and I think okay this

1701
01:07:01,549 --> 01:06:59,640
is one of the areas where I think as we

1702
01:07:03,230 --> 01:07:01,559
learn and understand explore the

1703
01:07:05,630 --> 01:07:03,240
phenomenon more there's these New

1704
01:07:07,370 --> 01:07:05,640
Horizons that begin to merge that we

1705
01:07:09,170 --> 01:07:07,380
start to realize this other this other

1706
01:07:10,789 --> 01:07:09,180
thing is going on and I think one of

1707
01:07:12,470 --> 01:07:10,799
those other things going on is like

1708
01:07:15,529 --> 01:07:12,480
their own study of animal Consciousness

1709
01:07:17,150 --> 01:07:15,539
and how they might be using that as you

1710
01:07:18,109 --> 01:07:17,160
know for whatever you know any number of

1711
01:07:20,450 --> 01:07:18,119
reasons

1712
01:07:23,390 --> 01:07:20,460
right let's get money Nathan in there

1713
01:07:25,130 --> 01:07:23,400
sir yeah so Sean I just uh my kids in

1714
01:07:27,710 --> 01:07:25,140
the movies yesterday we saw Dungeons and

1715
01:07:29,630 --> 01:07:27,720
Dragons and when I was there uh a great

1716
01:07:31,370 --> 01:07:29,640
movie by the way uh while we were there

1717
01:07:34,069 --> 01:07:31,380
I was thinking about just all of the

1718
01:07:36,230 --> 01:07:34,079
films that are out now you know they're

1719
01:07:38,870 --> 01:07:36,240
really popular kinds of things and

1720
01:07:40,549 --> 01:07:38,880
um you touched on Hollywood we've got uh

1721
01:07:42,890 --> 01:07:40,559
films coming out that are literally

1722
01:07:44,930 --> 01:07:42,900
called Elementals we've got uh movie

1723
01:07:47,630 --> 01:07:44,940
coming out uh the Marvels which you know

1724
01:07:50,210 --> 01:07:47,640
kind of extra uh you know superhuman

1725
01:07:51,470 --> 01:07:50,220
kind of creatures and Transformers we

1726
01:07:53,150 --> 01:07:51,480
talked about machine elves I mean

1727
01:07:55,609 --> 01:07:53,160
Transformers they're sort of essentially

1728
01:07:58,029 --> 01:07:55,619
like giant machinos so I I bring this up

1729
01:08:01,370 --> 01:07:58,039
to say you know what role do you think

1730
01:08:04,910 --> 01:08:01,380
uh these kinds of things play in the

1731
01:08:07,130 --> 01:08:04,920
priming of of our of our Western way of

1732
01:08:08,930 --> 01:08:07,140
thinking and I say Western because I

1733
01:08:11,270 --> 01:08:08,940
think in the East they're much more

1734
01:08:13,069 --> 01:08:11,280
comfortable with a lot of these

1735
01:08:14,750 --> 01:08:13,079
different types of beings and it's just

1736
01:08:17,329 --> 01:08:14,760
been kind of part of their ethos for us

1737
01:08:19,249 --> 01:08:17,339
we've really just uh relegated all that

1738
01:08:20,689 --> 01:08:19,259
away to saying there's there's only one

1739
01:08:21,729 --> 01:08:20,699
other non-human intelligence that would

1740
01:08:24,110 --> 01:08:21,739
be gone

1741
01:08:26,870 --> 01:08:24,120
and there's just you know everybody else

1742
01:08:28,370 --> 01:08:26,880
and so I wonder and also thinking about

1743
01:08:29,809 --> 01:08:28,380
this from a kind of a wolverian

1744
01:08:32,390 --> 01:08:29,819
perspective that integral perspective

1745
01:08:34,550 --> 01:08:32,400
are we are we expanding that awareness

1746
01:08:37,550 --> 01:08:34,560
is it is it finally kind of coming

1747
01:08:39,890 --> 01:08:37,560
around to where the the table is set

1748
01:08:42,289 --> 01:08:39,900
we're ready we're being prepared to to

1749
01:08:44,689 --> 01:08:42,299
accept the greater reality that happens

1750
01:08:47,030 --> 01:08:44,699
to be there

1751
01:08:49,490 --> 01:08:47,040
yeah I think movies play a really big

1752
01:08:51,050 --> 01:08:49,500
role in this you know and Robbie

1753
01:08:52,550 --> 01:08:51,060
Graham's book

1754
01:08:55,370 --> 01:08:52,560
um you know saucers on the Silver Screen

1755
01:08:57,950 --> 01:08:55,380
is a is a great kind of analysis of of

1756
01:08:59,990 --> 01:08:57,960
some of this and he just passed away so

1757
01:09:01,189 --> 01:09:00,000
you know just sending love to to him and

1758
01:09:03,530 --> 01:09:01,199
his family

1759
01:09:05,870 --> 01:09:03,540
um you know one of the concepts he talks

1760
01:09:09,229 --> 01:09:05,880
about in that book is the hyper real

1761
01:09:11,450 --> 01:09:09,239
and how the you know you get this weird

1762
01:09:13,910 --> 01:09:11,460
and this is an example of doubleness

1763
01:09:18,169 --> 01:09:13,920
right where people

1764
01:09:19,849 --> 01:09:18,179
see a film right that has UFOs in it and

1765
01:09:21,470 --> 01:09:19,859
then there's kind of this condition of

1766
01:09:24,530 --> 01:09:21,480
like okay I don't believe in UFOs

1767
01:09:27,050 --> 01:09:24,540
because you know I it's a film I saw it

1768
01:09:29,090 --> 01:09:27,060
on a film and film is made up it's you

1769
01:09:31,490 --> 01:09:29,100
know it's not real right so there's a

1770
01:09:34,070 --> 01:09:31,500
way in which film kind of programs us to

1771
01:09:35,390 --> 01:09:34,080
think something's not real but then on

1772
01:09:37,249 --> 01:09:35,400
the other hand there's this other kind

1773
01:09:39,410 --> 01:09:37,259
of unconscious programming that we we

1774
01:09:41,689 --> 01:09:39,420
think it is real because we saw it on

1775
01:09:44,150 --> 01:09:41,699
film right so there's kind of this like

1776
01:09:46,370 --> 01:09:44,160
it's like works both ways so it's very

1777
01:09:48,169 --> 01:09:46,380
kind of paradoxical

1778
01:09:50,390 --> 01:09:48,179
um where you know and then sometimes

1779
01:09:53,390 --> 01:09:50,400
there's really weird interesting

1780
01:09:57,050 --> 01:09:53,400
historical analyzes that seem to suggest

1781
01:09:58,850 --> 01:09:57,060
that you know some UFOs showed up at a

1782
01:10:00,950 --> 01:09:58,860
certain point in time and then they get

1783
01:10:03,470 --> 01:10:00,960
incorporated into

1784
01:10:05,810 --> 01:10:03,480
um kind of our films and represented on

1785
01:10:07,130 --> 01:10:05,820
the screen and then there's another loop

1786
01:10:09,290 --> 01:10:07,140
or then those that are on the screen

1787
01:10:12,169 --> 01:10:09,300
then influence how the phenomena is

1788
01:10:13,850 --> 01:10:12,179
showing up in the next era right and so

1789
01:10:15,830 --> 01:10:13,860
you have what I call this mutual and act

1790
01:10:17,870 --> 01:10:15,840
document Dynamic right and then

1791
01:10:19,850 --> 01:10:17,880
sometimes people said well people are

1792
01:10:22,729 --> 01:10:19,860
just making this [\h__\h] up because they're

1793
01:10:24,350 --> 01:10:22,739
describing things that they saw in the

1794
01:10:26,390 --> 01:10:24,360
movies you know in the last few years

1795
01:10:28,250 --> 01:10:26,400
well yeah there might be some of that

1796
01:10:30,950 --> 01:10:28,260
going on right so we have to try and

1797
01:10:32,570 --> 01:10:30,960
dissect and analyze that

1798
01:10:34,490 --> 01:10:32,580
um but I think the phenomena is much

1799
01:10:36,950 --> 01:10:34,500
more amorphous and dynamic and

1800
01:10:39,169 --> 01:10:36,960
responsive to our own individual and

1801
01:10:41,930 --> 01:10:39,179
Collective Consciousness and that

1802
01:10:43,850 --> 01:10:41,940
sometimes it shows up based on the

1803
01:10:45,530 --> 01:10:43,860
reference points we have in our own mind

1804
01:10:47,990 --> 01:10:45,540
but that doesn't mean that what's there

1805
01:10:50,209 --> 01:10:48,000
is you know is not external and

1806
01:10:51,649 --> 01:10:50,219
independently real in some sense right

1807
01:10:54,950 --> 01:10:51,659
so I think there's this really

1808
01:10:57,590 --> 01:10:54,960
interesting co-creative co-enactment

1809
01:10:59,450 --> 01:10:57,600
that's occurring and I think movies play

1810
01:11:00,770 --> 01:10:59,460
a big role in that

1811
01:11:03,110 --> 01:11:00,780
um and then it's also why I feel

1812
01:11:05,750 --> 01:11:03,120
concerned that a majority of movies

1813
01:11:06,890 --> 01:11:05,760
around ETS are very negative

1814
01:11:09,709 --> 01:11:06,900
um you know they're they're only a

1815
01:11:11,209 --> 01:11:09,719
handful that are really positive that's

1816
01:11:13,430 --> 01:11:11,219
changing though in the last couple years

1817
01:11:15,470 --> 01:11:13,440
we're seeing a lot more you know movies

1818
01:11:18,050 --> 01:11:15,480
that I think think serve a better

1819
01:11:20,630 --> 01:11:18,060
purpose in terms of allowing us to

1820
01:11:23,510 --> 01:11:20,640
consider what's possible the movie that

1821
01:11:27,410 --> 01:11:23,520
I want to see is like an award-winning

1822
01:11:30,169 --> 01:11:27,420
you know movie of a woman who discovers

1823
01:11:31,910 --> 01:11:30,179
she has hybrid children and then her

1824
01:11:34,270 --> 01:11:31,920
process of making contact with those

1825
01:11:37,430 --> 01:11:34,280
hybrid children and her existential

1826
01:11:40,189 --> 01:11:37,440
issues around trying to navigate this

1827
01:11:41,930 --> 01:11:40,199
double reality and like done in such a

1828
01:11:44,689 --> 01:11:41,940
way that's like very powerful

1829
01:11:46,970 --> 01:11:44,699
emotionally riveting very convincing and

1830
01:11:48,830 --> 01:11:46,980
really like gets into like the really

1831
01:11:51,410 --> 01:11:48,840
painful and confusing emotional

1832
01:11:52,970 --> 01:11:51,420
realities of that situation right so I

1833
01:11:54,110 --> 01:11:52,980
feel like in a way it's like so many of

1834
01:11:56,270 --> 01:11:54,120
our movies

1835
01:11:58,790 --> 01:11:56,280
like they're not even really going into

1836
01:12:00,229 --> 01:11:58,800
the heart of some of the areas that this

1837
01:12:02,990 --> 01:12:00,239
phenomenon represents and I think

1838
01:12:05,030 --> 01:12:03,000
there's a lot more great material right

1839
01:12:06,050 --> 01:12:05,040
um that's possible um but yeah I think

1840
01:12:07,910 --> 01:12:06,060
there's a lot of interesting

1841
01:12:10,430 --> 01:12:07,920
relationships between our Consciousness

1842
01:12:12,830 --> 01:12:10,440
and kind of movie Consciousness well I

1843
01:12:16,310 --> 01:12:12,840
just to quickly piggyback on that the

1844
01:12:18,709 --> 01:12:16,320
Marion archetype you know so Marion and

1845
01:12:21,770 --> 01:12:18,719
her hybrid Child Jesus right so there's

1846
01:12:24,649 --> 01:12:21,780
this uh relationship there that is

1847
01:12:26,330 --> 01:12:24,659
already baked into many of our sort of

1848
01:12:27,709 --> 01:12:26,340
World Views

1849
01:12:29,390 --> 01:12:27,719
um so I think I agree with you that

1850
01:12:31,850 --> 01:12:29,400
would be an amazing thing to kind of

1851
01:12:33,530 --> 01:12:31,860
flesh out and get people thinking

1852
01:12:36,050 --> 01:12:33,540
um anyway appreciate your answer yeah

1853
01:12:37,669 --> 01:12:36,060
and for anybody that would laugh at

1854
01:12:39,350 --> 01:12:37,679
these Concepts that might have heard of

1855
01:12:44,390 --> 01:12:39,360
this not very well known phrase art

1856
01:12:45,950 --> 01:12:44,400
imitates life so exactly anyway or life

1857
01:12:48,290 --> 01:12:45,960
imitates art

1858
01:12:50,090 --> 01:12:48,300
um Deb I know that any casting director

1859
01:12:52,130 --> 01:12:50,100
out there that would want to do a full

1860
01:12:53,870 --> 01:12:52,140
feature-length film about a mother

1861
01:12:55,430 --> 01:12:53,880
connecting with her hybrid children I

1862
01:12:57,709 --> 01:12:55,440
know it you would make yourself

1863
01:13:00,530 --> 01:12:57,719
available for that kind of a project am

1864
01:13:02,510 --> 01:13:00,540
I correct I am but I will say in

1865
01:13:04,910 --> 01:13:02,520
meditation I was taught that hybrid

1866
01:13:07,790 --> 01:13:04,920
children are not necessarily ones that

1867
01:13:08,930 --> 01:13:07,800
we should be raising so that's all I'm

1868
01:13:11,870 --> 01:13:08,940
going to say about it I'm not going to

1869
01:13:13,850 --> 01:13:11,880
get started on it okay but

1870
01:13:16,370 --> 01:13:13,860
um yeah so I'm not gonna get started I

1871
01:13:19,910 --> 01:13:16,380
will refrain okay any here so I wanted

1872
01:13:22,669 --> 01:13:19,920
to ask if you can besides the obvious

1873
01:13:24,649 --> 01:13:22,679
choice of using meditation can you give

1874
01:13:27,530 --> 01:13:24,659
us some tips and suggestions for

1875
01:13:32,149 --> 01:13:27,540
accessing our other subtle bodies

1876
01:13:34,610 --> 01:13:32,159
yeah yeah so subtle bodies I mean almost

1877
01:13:37,189 --> 01:13:34,620
all the contemplative Traditions taoism

1878
01:13:39,830 --> 01:13:37,199
Hinduism Buddhism you know Native

1879
01:13:42,290 --> 01:13:39,840
American spirituality you know theosophy

1880
01:13:45,250 --> 01:13:42,300
you know pretty much every you know

1881
01:13:47,990 --> 01:13:45,260
major and minor contemplative tradition

1882
01:13:49,910 --> 01:13:48,000
acknowledges and works with the subtle

1883
01:13:51,350 --> 01:13:49,920
bodies they have different Maps they

1884
01:13:53,750 --> 01:13:51,360
have different kind of ways of thinking

1885
01:13:55,370 --> 01:13:53,760
about or working with it

1886
01:13:57,050 --> 01:13:55,380
um you know but so there's a lot of

1887
01:13:58,310 --> 01:13:57,060
practices you know across those

1888
01:14:00,530 --> 01:13:58,320
Traditions so if there are certain

1889
01:14:03,410 --> 01:14:00,540
Traditions that you're already connected

1890
01:14:05,330 --> 01:14:03,420
to then you just might have to do a

1891
01:14:06,470 --> 01:14:05,340
little digging to find how your

1892
01:14:08,090 --> 01:14:06,480
tradition

1893
01:14:10,669 --> 01:14:08,100
um actually historically and

1894
01:14:12,290 --> 01:14:10,679
contemporaneously works with and you

1895
01:14:15,110 --> 01:14:12,300
know and has practices around the subtle

1896
01:14:17,750 --> 01:14:15,120
body a lot of them are around you know

1897
01:14:19,130 --> 01:14:17,760
breathing and visualization a lot of

1898
01:14:21,110 --> 01:14:19,140
them's just like building somatic

1899
01:14:22,790 --> 01:14:21,120
awareness and sensing

1900
01:14:24,110 --> 01:14:22,800
um you know movement

1901
01:14:27,050 --> 01:14:24,120
um you know obviously you know

1902
01:14:29,450 --> 01:14:27,060
psychedelics and sacred medicines

1903
01:14:31,250 --> 01:14:29,460
um Dan dancing and trance

1904
01:14:32,689 --> 01:14:31,260
um you know drum beats you know one of

1905
01:14:35,870 --> 01:14:32,699
the things that's so fascinating about

1906
01:14:39,229 --> 01:14:35,880
contact modalities as I started studying

1907
01:14:41,209 --> 01:14:39,239
contact modalities is you know because I

1908
01:14:43,430 --> 01:14:41,219
was really inspired by the C5 movement

1909
01:14:45,770 --> 01:14:43,440
and this idea of human-initiated contact

1910
01:14:48,530 --> 01:14:45,780
you know which involves Consciousness as

1911
01:14:49,729 --> 01:14:48,540
a core kind of part of that but as I

1912
01:14:51,770 --> 01:14:49,739
started studying the different contact

1913
01:14:53,870 --> 01:14:51,780
modalities I started to realize pretty

1914
01:14:55,610 --> 01:14:53,880
much everything is a contact modality

1915
01:14:57,890 --> 01:14:55,620
when you look at the traditions and the

1916
01:15:00,229 --> 01:14:57,900
religions and the different and it made

1917
01:15:02,209 --> 01:15:00,239
me realize like we are primed for

1918
01:15:04,010 --> 01:15:02,219
contact basically we just have to

1919
01:15:05,570 --> 01:15:04,020
slightly alter our Consciousness and

1920
01:15:07,010 --> 01:15:05,580
we're having contact with different

1921
01:15:09,229 --> 01:15:07,020
types of beings and different types of

1922
01:15:11,149 --> 01:15:09,239
Realms and it kind of blew me away when

1923
01:15:12,890 --> 01:15:11,159
I really kind of got the magnitude of

1924
01:15:14,510 --> 01:15:12,900
like there's pretty much all these

1925
01:15:17,149 --> 01:15:14,520
different doors and you go through any

1926
01:15:18,950 --> 01:15:17,159
of them you're likely to have some kind

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01:15:21,110 --> 01:15:18,960
of contact

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01:15:23,090 --> 01:15:21,120
UM one book that I really love and I've

1929
01:15:24,770 --> 01:15:23,100
taught this book in public courses and

1930
01:15:27,410 --> 01:15:24,780
in academic courses is the

1931
01:15:30,649 --> 01:15:27,420
multi-dimensional Human by Kurt Lee

1932
01:15:34,430 --> 01:15:30,659
Island Kurt Leland is based in Boston

1933
01:15:36,050 --> 01:15:34,440
he's one of my teachers and he

1934
01:15:39,770 --> 01:15:36,060
um as a you know contemporary

1935
01:15:42,410 --> 01:15:39,780
theosophist and in this book he takes

1936
01:15:44,750 --> 01:15:42,420
the Seth material because Seth you know

1937
01:15:46,610 --> 01:15:44,760
via Jane Roberts

1938
01:15:49,370 --> 01:15:46,620
um talked about a number of inner senses

1939
01:15:52,070 --> 01:15:49,380
so he kind of brought together all the

1940
01:15:55,010 --> 01:15:52,080
materials Seth had described these inner

1941
01:15:57,410 --> 01:15:55,020
senses and he organizes them into 20

1942
01:16:00,410 --> 01:15:57,420
Main inner senses and then you know to

1943
01:16:03,169 --> 01:16:00,420
my astonishment he uses a four quadrant

1944
01:16:05,570 --> 01:16:03,179
system that is the same as Wilbur's but

1945
01:16:07,550 --> 01:16:05,580
Leland doesn't know Wilbur's work or not

1946
01:16:09,530 --> 01:16:07,560
aware of the four quadrants until I

1947
01:16:12,770 --> 01:16:09,540
pointed it out to him and so there's

1948
01:16:14,570 --> 01:16:12,780
five um kinesthetic senses there you

1949
01:16:16,330 --> 01:16:14,580
know to work with your body and locate

1950
01:16:18,890 --> 01:16:16,340
your body in these different Realms

1951
01:16:20,810 --> 01:16:18,900
there's five environmental senses of

1952
01:16:23,510 --> 01:16:20,820
like how to move through the different

1953
01:16:25,310 --> 01:16:23,520
Realms and there's five relational

1954
01:16:26,870 --> 01:16:25,320
senses of how to communicate and

1955
01:16:29,450 --> 01:16:26,880
interact with beans in these different

1956
01:16:31,250 --> 01:16:29,460
realms and there's five existential

1957
01:16:33,290 --> 01:16:31,260
senses which are about working with your

1958
01:16:35,930 --> 01:16:33,300
own Consciousness and so it's a very

1959
01:16:37,550 --> 01:16:35,940
user-friendly book and it gives guided

1960
01:16:39,649 --> 01:16:37,560
meditations for each of these senses

1961
01:16:41,930 --> 01:16:39,659
that you can develop and you develop

1962
01:16:43,850 --> 01:16:41,940
them in the kind of comfort of your own

1963
01:16:45,770 --> 01:16:43,860
physical body in your own physical world

1964
01:16:48,410 --> 01:16:45,780
like you don't have to like be in some

1965
01:16:50,330 --> 01:16:48,420
out-of-body state in order to do these

1966
01:16:53,149 --> 01:16:50,340
practices the idea is actually you

1967
01:16:54,890 --> 01:16:53,159
develop the the muscle groups kind of in

1968
01:16:57,169 --> 01:16:54,900
waking consciousness you know working

1969
01:16:58,790 --> 01:16:57,179
with these meditations and then when

1970
01:17:00,770 --> 01:16:58,800
you're doing your dream work or your

1971
01:17:03,709 --> 01:17:00,780
astral projection or you know other

1972
01:17:06,410 --> 01:17:03,719
types of meditations that then you will

1973
01:17:08,570 --> 01:17:06,420
have more access to these inner senses

1974
01:17:11,270 --> 01:17:08,580
and they're Associated

1975
01:17:13,189 --> 01:17:11,280
um you know subtle bodies and his system

1976
01:17:16,189 --> 01:17:13,199
which is the theosophical system has

1977
01:17:18,169 --> 01:17:16,199
nine subtle bodies so there's and what's

1978
01:17:20,390 --> 01:17:18,179
fascinating is different subtle bodies

1979
01:17:21,950 --> 01:17:20,400
have different senses so in our etheric

1980
01:17:23,810 --> 01:17:21,960
body we have our physical body and then

1981
01:17:26,390 --> 01:17:23,820
we have our etheric body the etheric

1982
01:17:28,610 --> 01:17:26,400
body tends to be what a lot of healers

1983
01:17:30,830 --> 01:17:28,620
use to heal other human beings or even

1984
01:17:32,390 --> 01:17:30,840
animals then there's the astral bonding

1985
01:17:34,910 --> 01:17:32,400
the astral body tends to be what we use

1986
01:17:37,250 --> 01:17:34,920
when we dream or when we do astral

1987
01:17:39,649 --> 01:17:37,260
travel then there's you know the the

1988
01:17:40,850 --> 01:17:39,659
mental body and the causal body and then

1989
01:17:42,649 --> 01:17:40,860
you're starting to get more into the

1990
01:17:44,750 --> 01:17:42,659
soul level you know then there's the

1991
01:17:46,550 --> 01:17:44,760
buddhic body and it goes you know beyond

1992
01:17:47,990 --> 01:17:46,560
that but it's just interesting and he

1993
01:17:50,270 --> 01:17:48,000
gives a lot of you know good

1994
01:17:52,910 --> 01:17:50,280
descriptions of these subtle bodies how

1995
01:17:54,890 --> 01:17:52,920
to understand them the different kinds

1996
01:17:56,390 --> 01:17:54,900
of experiences you have with them and so

1997
01:17:59,450 --> 01:17:56,400
that would be a good entry point for

1998
01:18:02,030 --> 01:17:59,460
people wanting to just Explore More with

1999
01:18:05,270 --> 01:18:02,040
the subtle body piece

2000
01:18:06,649 --> 01:18:05,280
my man I'm gonna tell you what man it

2001
01:18:08,950 --> 01:18:06,659
does seem like you've read a couple of

2002
01:18:11,410 --> 01:18:08,960
books in your day it really does

2003
01:18:13,189 --> 01:18:11,420
gobble gobble gobble

2004
01:18:15,470 --> 01:18:13,199
all right well let's get you with

2005
01:18:16,910 --> 01:18:15,480
another Library scientist right there uh

2006
01:18:18,229 --> 01:18:16,920
we've got last two questions here here

2007
01:18:19,430 --> 01:18:18,239
goes Leah Prime

2008
01:18:20,810 --> 01:18:19,440
sure

2009
01:18:22,790 --> 01:18:20,820
um this is actually similar to a

2010
01:18:25,490 --> 01:18:22,800
question I asked Dr kripa last week

2011
01:18:26,570 --> 01:18:25,500
which is basically that we're in the

2012
01:18:28,790 --> 01:18:26,580
midst

2013
01:18:31,010 --> 01:18:28,800
um of a rise in spirituality and

2014
01:18:33,890 --> 01:18:31,020
psychedelic Renaissance both of which of

2015
01:18:36,110 --> 01:18:33,900
course have led to a massive refactoring

2016
01:18:38,270 --> 01:18:36,120
of personal ontologies for people who

2017
01:18:40,070 --> 01:18:38,280
are participating in these things we

2018
01:18:41,870 --> 01:18:40,080
also have extremely poor cultural

2019
01:18:45,350 --> 01:18:41,880
narratives for navigating these

2020
01:18:48,169 --> 01:18:45,360
experiences yeah so I was wondering what

2021
01:18:50,510 --> 01:18:48,179
resources thinkers or practices that you

2022
01:18:53,870 --> 01:18:50,520
recommend to help people integrate and

2023
01:18:56,750 --> 01:18:53,880
make sense of what happens to them

2024
01:19:00,830 --> 01:18:56,760
yeah I mean this is this is probably in

2025
01:19:02,689 --> 01:19:00,840
some ways the main focus of all of the

2026
01:19:04,910 --> 01:19:02,699
um public programs that I've taught and

2027
01:19:06,050 --> 01:19:04,920
I think will even be a big part of the

2028
01:19:07,430 --> 01:19:06,060
upcoming

2029
01:19:09,050 --> 01:19:07,440
um you know six-month courses starting

2030
01:19:12,950 --> 01:19:09,060
next week

2031
01:19:15,649 --> 01:19:12,960
these experiences are confusing I um

2032
01:19:17,330 --> 01:19:15,659
they're confusing on so many levels in

2033
01:19:19,910 --> 01:19:17,340
part because we're in a scientific

2034
01:19:21,830 --> 01:19:19,920
materialist culture that just won't

2035
01:19:23,810 --> 01:19:21,840
validate it and and we just end up

2036
01:19:26,689 --> 01:19:23,820
feeling like we're going crazy and even

2037
01:19:29,330 --> 01:19:26,699
when we're around a supportive community

2038
01:19:31,070 --> 01:19:29,340
like it's still hard it's it's still you

2039
01:19:32,810 --> 01:19:31,080
know it's like we doubt ourselves and

2040
01:19:35,930 --> 01:19:32,820
you know it's like and

2041
01:19:37,370 --> 01:19:35,940
um and so I have this Mantra kind of

2042
01:19:39,890 --> 01:19:37,380
this orientation of taking things

2043
01:19:41,689 --> 01:19:39,900
serious and holding them lightly

2044
01:19:43,970 --> 01:19:41,699
um that's kind of guides a lot of my

2045
01:19:45,890 --> 01:19:43,980
work in all of these spaces and I I

2046
01:19:48,530 --> 01:19:45,900
really encourage my students and

2047
01:19:50,030 --> 01:19:48,540
colleagues to to work with that in in

2048
01:19:54,050 --> 01:19:50,040
ways that make sense to them because

2049
01:19:55,130 --> 01:19:54,060
it's like like for instance I had this

2050
01:19:58,370 --> 01:19:55,140
experience

2051
01:20:00,229 --> 01:19:58,380
um in like in this meditative process of

2052
01:20:04,189 --> 01:20:00,239
being a manted being

2053
01:20:06,350 --> 01:20:04,199
and and I was on a ship and I was kind

2054
01:20:08,870 --> 01:20:06,360
of the scientist you know on the ship

2055
01:20:11,270 --> 01:20:08,880
and that was kind of my role and the

2056
01:20:13,430 --> 01:20:11,280
experience was that this was me like I

2057
01:20:16,729 --> 01:20:13,440
was like connecting with myself that's

2058
01:20:18,530 --> 01:20:16,739
like you know and and when I and it was

2059
01:20:21,290 --> 01:20:18,540
also kind of weird because on the one

2060
01:20:22,250 --> 01:20:21,300
hand when I tried to like this as a past

2061
01:20:30,110 --> 01:20:22,260
self

2062
01:20:32,270 --> 01:20:30,120
then I realized what romantic beings

2063
01:20:34,130 --> 01:20:32,280
like are so long lived that in

2064
01:20:35,870 --> 01:20:34,140
relationship to me as a human being like

2065
01:20:37,970 --> 01:20:35,880
yeah of course it would be a past

2066
01:20:39,410 --> 01:20:37,980
current and future life right and it was

2067
01:20:41,870 --> 01:20:39,420
like so it's like totally gonna be like

2068
01:20:43,970 --> 01:20:41,880
what do you do with that right and and

2069
01:20:46,550 --> 01:20:43,980
so it's like okay am I a manted bean

2070
01:20:48,169 --> 01:20:46,560
okay maybe like am I have a soul

2071
01:20:51,950 --> 01:20:48,179
connection with a man to being okay

2072
01:20:53,810 --> 01:20:51,960
maybe like is this a parallel life maybe

2073
01:20:55,790 --> 01:20:53,820
you know it's like the list goes on it

2074
01:20:58,490 --> 01:20:55,800
could be so many different things

2075
01:21:00,290 --> 01:20:58,500
and it and part of me like wants to know

2076
01:21:02,030 --> 01:21:00,300
like what was that experience like it

2077
01:21:04,430 --> 01:21:02,040
was very real it was very visceral like

2078
01:21:07,669 --> 01:21:04,440
there was something in that experience

2079
01:21:09,470 --> 01:21:07,679
that was undeniable and it wasn't just a

2080
01:21:11,630 --> 01:21:09,480
dream imagination it was like me

2081
01:21:14,810 --> 01:21:11,640
connecting with another intelligence

2082
01:21:16,970 --> 01:21:14,820
that may or may not be myself

2083
01:21:18,950 --> 01:21:16,980
um and you know and so at the end of the

2084
01:21:20,810 --> 01:21:18,960
day it's like you really don't know what

2085
01:21:23,390 --> 01:21:20,820
to do with it but I take it very

2086
01:21:26,390 --> 01:21:23,400
seriously but I hold it lightly right so

2087
01:21:27,770 --> 01:21:26,400
I I stay open to like okay I don't know

2088
01:21:29,750 --> 01:21:27,780
what that was about

2089
01:21:31,250 --> 01:21:29,760
but there's something valuable about

2090
01:21:33,530 --> 01:21:31,260
that experience I want to stay in

2091
01:21:35,510 --> 01:21:33,540
relationship too and maybe as I gain

2092
01:21:38,209 --> 01:21:35,520
other experiences maybe as I have more

2093
01:21:40,910 --> 01:21:38,219
conversations maybe as I do my

2094
01:21:43,070 --> 01:21:40,920
meditation and and open up function like

2095
01:21:45,709 --> 01:21:43,080
maybe more data points for merge maybe

2096
01:21:47,390 --> 01:21:45,719
deeper understandings like I don't have

2097
01:21:49,790 --> 01:21:47,400
to I don't have to come up with the

2098
01:21:52,790 --> 01:21:49,800
interpretation right now I don't have to

2099
01:21:55,310 --> 01:21:52,800
say oh it's this or it's that it's hard

2100
01:21:57,950 --> 01:21:55,320
because it's humans we kind of need that

2101
01:22:00,890 --> 01:21:57,960
so part of it is building more capacity

2102
01:22:02,570 --> 01:22:00,900
to kind of rest in the unknown while

2103
01:22:04,430 --> 01:22:02,580
also not just saying well I don't know

2104
01:22:06,950 --> 01:22:04,440
what that was I'm not going to give it

2105
01:22:09,169 --> 01:22:06,960
any time of day like No And like really

2106
01:22:12,649 --> 01:22:09,179
like embrace it connect to it like make

2107
01:22:15,050 --> 01:22:12,659
room for the the realness of that but

2108
01:22:17,090 --> 01:22:15,060
give yourself permission to rest in some

2109
01:22:18,590 --> 01:22:17,100
of the uncertainty or unclarity of it at

2110
01:22:20,630 --> 01:22:18,600
the same time

2111
01:22:23,270 --> 01:22:20,640
um and for me that's been kind of my

2112
01:22:25,550 --> 01:22:23,280
primary meditation practice

2113
01:22:28,330 --> 01:22:25,560
um is with all these weird experiences

2114
01:22:30,890 --> 01:22:28,340
I've had to take them very serious

2115
01:22:32,709 --> 01:22:30,900
these are windows into other Realms and

2116
01:22:35,750 --> 01:22:32,719
worlds and layers and aspects of myself

2117
01:22:38,750 --> 01:22:35,760
and hold it very lightly because I just

2118
01:22:39,970 --> 01:22:38,760
don't have enough understanding maturity

2119
01:22:43,610 --> 01:22:39,980
information

2120
01:22:46,729 --> 01:22:43,620
guidance to make sense of it in a

2121
01:22:48,290 --> 01:22:46,739
definitive way right and so any kind of

2122
01:22:50,990 --> 01:22:48,300
meditation practice that helps us

2123
01:22:53,270 --> 01:22:51,000
disidentify with our stories right

2124
01:22:55,130 --> 01:22:53,280
because we like to tell stories and and

2125
01:22:57,290 --> 01:22:55,140
try and you know and then mistake those

2126
01:23:00,410 --> 01:22:57,300
stories for reality so any kind of

2127
01:23:02,870 --> 01:23:00,420
practice that helps build that meta

2128
01:23:04,550 --> 01:23:02,880
awareness that witness awareness where

2129
01:23:07,189 --> 01:23:04,560
we can learn to be present to the

2130
01:23:08,930 --> 01:23:07,199
phenomenon without having to lock it

2131
01:23:12,530 --> 01:23:08,940
into a particular narrative and you

2132
01:23:16,189 --> 01:23:12,540
mentioned how we're we're drowning in a

2133
01:23:18,890 --> 01:23:16,199
um a lack of cultural capacity to talk

2134
01:23:20,330 --> 01:23:18,900
about or make sense of the phenomenon I

2135
01:23:22,370 --> 01:23:20,340
think this kind of work on an individual

2136
01:23:25,790 --> 01:23:22,380
level and a social level is really

2137
01:23:28,130 --> 01:23:25,800
important of of making room for the

2138
01:23:31,010 --> 01:23:28,140
reality of these things whether without

2139
01:23:33,169 --> 01:23:31,020
having to lock it into like a some kind

2140
01:23:35,390 --> 01:23:33,179
of weird scientific materialist like

2141
01:23:37,070 --> 01:23:35,400
okay there it is I got it like you know

2142
01:23:40,550 --> 01:23:37,080
it's like we want to lock our radar on

2143
01:23:43,610 --> 01:23:40,560
it I don't think we're there yet mm-hmm

2144
01:23:45,350 --> 01:23:43,620
wonderful thank you you know and while

2145
01:23:47,030 --> 01:23:45,360
you're doing that Nathan on mute was

2146
01:23:51,050 --> 01:23:47,040
saying hey man

2147
01:23:53,390 --> 01:23:51,060
I'm saying right now I know you know

2148
01:23:55,070 --> 01:23:53,400
um and I know obviously this uh taking

2149
01:23:56,990 --> 01:23:55,080
things seriously holding them lightly

2150
01:23:59,450 --> 01:23:57,000
that was completely inspired by the song

2151
01:24:01,729 --> 01:23:59,460
from 38 special right Hold On Loosely

2152
01:24:03,290 --> 01:24:01,739
but don't let go that song now I know

2153
01:24:05,930 --> 01:24:03,300
it's pointing out that connection to me

2154
01:24:07,790 --> 01:24:05,940
so thank you yeah no no problem man

2155
01:24:10,310 --> 01:24:07,800
that's what I'm here for is this kind of

2156
01:24:13,370 --> 01:24:10,320
ridiculousness uh let me pass over to

2157
01:24:14,930 --> 01:24:13,380
Davey Johnston or last question I'll

2158
01:24:16,430 --> 01:24:14,940
start with another thank you take it

2159
01:24:18,110 --> 01:24:16,440
seriously and hold it lightly is just

2160
01:24:20,270 --> 01:24:18,120
become part of my daily contemplative

2161
01:24:20,890 --> 01:24:20,280
process thank you

2162
01:24:23,270 --> 01:24:20,900
um

2163
01:24:25,790 --> 01:24:23,280
funny how these things

2164
01:24:28,010 --> 01:24:25,800
um catch you at the right time

2165
01:24:30,350 --> 01:24:28,020
um when I first fell really headlong

2166
01:24:33,050 --> 01:24:30,360
into this whole thing 30 plus years ago

2167
01:24:35,209 --> 01:24:33,060
one of the series of books that really

2168
01:24:37,189 --> 01:24:35,219
resonated with me on your legs have to

2169
01:24:40,510 --> 01:24:37,199
excuse the pun was Bruce Cassie Bruce

2170
01:24:43,729 --> 01:24:40,520
Bruce Kathy's work on harmonics

2171
01:24:45,110 --> 01:24:43,739
so what I would just like you to do if

2172
01:24:47,330 --> 01:24:45,120
you don't mind is to talk to us a little

2173
01:24:49,130 --> 01:24:47,340
bit about your harmonic Enneagram models

2174
01:24:51,530 --> 01:24:49,140
and the importance of the patterns you

2175
01:24:54,229 --> 01:24:51,540
see within there because again they

2176
01:24:56,390 --> 01:24:54,239
they resonate yeah

2177
01:24:59,450 --> 01:24:56,400
yeah so this was a really powerful

2178
01:25:00,950 --> 01:24:59,460
experience for me it happened you know a

2179
01:25:03,229 --> 01:25:00,960
number of years ago where I had this

2180
01:25:04,970 --> 01:25:03,239
download experience of kind of this

2181
01:25:07,330 --> 01:25:04,980
information just all of a sudden being

2182
01:25:09,770 --> 01:25:07,340
in my Consciousness and it seemed to be

2183
01:25:12,830 --> 01:25:09,780
extraterrestrial Galactic in some sense

2184
01:25:14,870 --> 01:25:12,840
it also seemed to be collect connected

2185
01:25:16,669 --> 01:25:14,880
to Metatron so kind of this Archangel

2186
01:25:18,649 --> 01:25:16,679
Celestial thing and this is another

2187
01:25:20,209 --> 01:25:18,659
example where it's kind of like my mind

2188
01:25:22,310 --> 01:25:20,219
wants to say like okay it's either one

2189
01:25:24,530 --> 01:25:22,320
or the other like metatron's not hanging

2190
01:25:26,149 --> 01:25:24,540
out with ET so like why am I having this

2191
01:25:28,490 --> 01:25:26,159
experience that this information is

2192
01:25:29,990 --> 01:25:28,500
somehow connected to both and then I

2193
01:25:31,850 --> 01:25:30,000
realized okay that's just a story I'm

2194
01:25:33,229 --> 01:25:31,860
telling myself like maybe they are very

2195
01:25:34,430 --> 01:25:33,239
connected maybe they are the same you

2196
01:25:36,410 --> 01:25:34,440
know like you know so it's like we have

2197
01:25:37,669 --> 01:25:36,420
to just keep opening it up right and

2198
01:25:40,130 --> 01:25:37,679
going okay

2199
01:25:43,189 --> 01:25:40,140
it gets weirder and weirder you know you

2200
01:25:44,149 --> 01:25:43,199
know um and so this experience was you

2201
01:25:46,490 --> 01:25:44,159
know I've worked with the Enneagram

2202
01:25:48,770 --> 01:25:46,500
system you know for 20 some years prior

2203
01:25:51,770 --> 01:25:48,780
to this as a personality system I've

2204
01:25:53,390 --> 01:25:51,780
really loved it and and this is you know

2205
01:25:55,550 --> 01:25:53,400
two-dimensional diagram associated with

2206
01:25:58,189 --> 01:25:55,560
gurgif you know it's kind of got these

2207
01:26:02,090 --> 01:25:58,199
lines and it's kind of cool looking and

2208
01:26:04,790 --> 01:26:02,100
and the experience was you know starting

2209
01:26:08,510 --> 01:26:04,800
to build three-dimensional geometric

2210
01:26:11,149 --> 01:26:08,520
models that were based on triadic

2211
01:26:13,430 --> 01:26:11,159
harmonics within the system and I I

2212
01:26:14,629 --> 01:26:13,440
initially started to realize that there

2213
01:26:17,090 --> 01:26:14,639
were more because in the Enneagram

2214
01:26:18,890 --> 01:26:17,100
theory for instance we

2215
01:26:21,530 --> 01:26:18,900
Russ

2216
01:26:24,410 --> 01:26:21,540
um and um Riso two authors had

2217
01:26:26,390 --> 01:26:24,420
identified a set of harmonic connections

2218
01:26:28,610 --> 01:26:26,400
between different types so like the nine

2219
01:26:29,930 --> 01:26:28,620
the two and the Seven are all positive

2220
01:26:31,610 --> 01:26:29,940
types

2221
01:26:34,250 --> 01:26:31,620
um they all have a positive orientation

2222
01:26:37,669 --> 01:26:34,260
to whatever's kind of happening to them

2223
01:26:39,649 --> 01:26:37,679
in their life typically and so I started

2224
01:26:42,770 --> 01:26:39,659
this information came and started

2225
01:26:44,390 --> 01:26:42,780
realized that there were a number of

2226
01:26:46,810 --> 01:26:44,400
different sets of harmonics in that this

2227
01:26:49,370 --> 01:26:46,820
was actually not a a personality system

2228
01:26:51,709 --> 01:26:49,380
primarily it's actually a map of reality

2229
01:26:53,930 --> 01:26:51,719
and that reality is made out of these

2230
01:26:56,030 --> 01:26:53,940
harmonics right and you know and this

2231
01:26:57,530 --> 01:26:56,040
goes back to Pythagorean thought you

2232
01:27:00,229 --> 01:26:57,540
know of like The Worlds made out of

2233
01:27:02,689 --> 01:27:00,239
triangles and even Bucky Fuller had kind

2234
01:27:04,189 --> 01:27:02,699
of landed on that Insight you know so

2235
01:27:05,930 --> 01:27:04,199
there's something about the triangle

2236
01:27:08,149 --> 01:27:05,940
that's really key and you even see this

2237
01:27:10,669 --> 01:27:08,159
in a cult practice this because one poll

2238
01:27:12,590 --> 01:27:10,679
is a positive one is a negative and then

2239
01:27:14,810 --> 01:27:12,600
the third is an equal sign or the

2240
01:27:16,669 --> 01:27:14,820
balancing or synthesizing right so you

2241
01:27:19,010 --> 01:27:16,679
just it's like a polarity that's then

2242
01:27:21,229 --> 01:27:19,020
stabilized lies right and that a lot of

2243
01:27:23,390 --> 01:27:21,239
magical practices kind of work with that

2244
01:27:25,070 --> 01:27:23,400
core architecture so there's something

2245
01:27:27,649 --> 01:27:25,080
about

2246
01:27:29,870 --> 01:27:27,659
um triadic harmonies that I think is

2247
01:27:32,090 --> 01:27:29,880
foundational to reality and so I've

2248
01:27:33,649 --> 01:27:32,100
mapped out this whole series of

2249
01:27:36,229 --> 01:27:33,659
geometric

2250
01:27:37,850 --> 01:27:36,239
um designs and modeled them and you know

2251
01:27:40,310 --> 01:27:37,860
and I've made diagrams and I'm working

2252
01:27:42,649 --> 01:27:40,320
on a book to kind of unpack it Fuller

2253
01:27:44,149 --> 01:27:42,659
but it's another example of taking it

2254
01:27:47,030 --> 01:27:44,159
seriously holding it lightly because

2255
01:27:48,709 --> 01:27:47,040
it's like how do you make sense of the

2256
01:27:50,930 --> 01:27:48,719
experience of getting this download and

2257
01:27:52,850 --> 01:27:50,940
this information and it's like you know

2258
01:27:55,010 --> 01:27:52,860
when people say well how did you come up

2259
01:27:57,229 --> 01:27:55,020
with this oh well some angels and ETS

2260
01:27:58,790 --> 01:27:57,239
were talking to me somehow and it just

2261
01:28:01,129 --> 01:27:58,800
kind of happened it's just like you know

2262
01:28:04,070 --> 01:28:01,139
what do you do with that that's just

2263
01:28:05,330 --> 01:28:04,080
wild right and I think you know a lot of

2264
01:28:07,010 --> 01:28:05,340
you know and this is another thing about

2265
01:28:08,570 --> 01:28:07,020
contact

2266
01:28:10,310 --> 01:28:08,580
I think

2267
01:28:13,689 --> 01:28:10,320
I don't think we have an appreciation

2268
01:28:16,550 --> 01:28:13,699
for how much human Ingenuity is actually

2269
01:28:19,490 --> 01:28:16,560
you know these beings from other Realms

2270
01:28:21,950 --> 01:28:19,500
and dimensions just whispering

2271
01:28:24,169 --> 01:28:21,960
you know so I I think we need to be much

2272
01:28:26,149 --> 01:28:24,179
more humble around things we take credit

2273
01:28:28,250 --> 01:28:26,159
for because I I feel like we're getting

2274
01:28:30,590 --> 01:28:28,260
a lot of help from the other side and

2275
01:28:32,390 --> 01:28:30,600
you know and from all corners of the

2276
01:28:35,090 --> 01:28:32,400
wild Cosmos

2277
01:28:37,669 --> 01:28:35,100
yeah the muses exactly

2278
01:28:39,770 --> 01:28:37,679
I'm gonna tell you what man you you have

2279
01:28:41,930 --> 01:28:39,780
brought some serious enthusiasm here

2280
01:28:43,550 --> 01:28:41,940
today before we get into our cabbie

2281
01:28:47,330 --> 01:28:43,560
goodbyes I want to give a shout out to

2282
01:28:50,149 --> 01:28:47,340
brother James I and doli my Paisan from

2283
01:28:51,470 --> 01:28:50,159
Nueva York who got us uh this interview

2284
01:28:53,570 --> 01:28:51,480
otherwise you probably wouldn't have

2285
01:28:55,370 --> 01:28:53,580
even uh answered our email I'm just

2286
01:28:56,930 --> 01:28:55,380
kidding I'm sure you would have uh it

2287
01:28:57,590 --> 01:28:56,940
just would have taken like 70 more of

2288
01:28:59,390 --> 01:28:57,600
them

2289
01:29:03,350 --> 01:28:59,400
um so thank you James for connecting us

2290
01:29:04,910 --> 01:29:03,360
with uh Dr Dr hargens here and uh now we

2291
01:29:07,970 --> 01:29:04,920
will go with cabbie goodbye starting

2292
01:29:10,010 --> 01:29:07,980
with my man from from yaksha the guy who

2293
01:29:13,930 --> 01:29:10,020
completed the Three Peaks challenge

2294
01:29:16,129 --> 01:29:13,940
again this year go ahead Davey

2295
01:29:18,410 --> 01:29:16,139
thank you so much

2296
01:29:20,090 --> 01:29:18,420
um I'm gonna try and go around into the

2297
01:29:22,189 --> 01:29:20,100
next room and see if I can borrow 500

2298
01:29:23,990 --> 01:29:22,199
from my wife

2299
01:29:25,669 --> 01:29:24,000
um I don't know how I can manipulate the

2300
01:29:28,070 --> 01:29:25,679
time to fit everything in but that's the

2301
01:29:29,390 --> 01:29:28,080
next stage of this awesome thank you so

2302
01:29:31,189 --> 01:29:29,400
much and thank you to the rest of my

2303
01:29:32,209 --> 01:29:31,199
cabbie family fabulous much love to

2304
01:29:35,590 --> 01:29:32,219
everybody

2305
01:29:37,970 --> 01:29:35,600
it's an honor to have you prime time

2306
01:29:39,890 --> 01:29:37,980
Sean thank you so much wonderful

2307
01:29:41,689 --> 01:29:39,900
conversation really inspired by all the

2308
01:29:44,030 --> 01:29:41,699
work and research you're doing

2309
01:29:46,129 --> 01:29:44,040
um and also uh this is work that to me

2310
01:29:48,110 --> 01:29:46,139
feels desperately desperately needed to

2311
01:29:54,169 --> 01:29:48,120
for where we are right now in humanity

2312
01:30:00,169 --> 01:29:57,110
and Debs yeah I definitely think we

2313
01:30:03,169 --> 01:30:00,179
needed 10 more hours and probably a

2314
01:30:05,270 --> 01:30:03,179
hundred more people who can talk like

2315
01:30:07,010 --> 01:30:05,280
you do and address the things that you

2316
01:30:09,169 --> 01:30:07,020
do so thank you so much for the work

2317
01:30:12,470 --> 01:30:09,179
that you're doing and

2318
01:30:14,330 --> 01:30:12,480
um I wanted to also say that Jay said

2319
01:30:16,610 --> 01:30:14,340
hello beforehand I don't know if we got

2320
01:30:18,709 --> 01:30:16,620
a chance to type Kelly and Kelly yes and

2321
01:30:20,990 --> 01:30:18,719
Charlie of course everyone thinks you're

2322
01:30:23,149 --> 01:30:21,000
amazing thank you so much

2323
01:30:26,090 --> 01:30:23,159
great thanks Deb

2324
01:30:28,610 --> 01:30:26,100
bie this has been uh an incredible

2325
01:30:30,229 --> 01:30:28,620
conversation and made my morning and

2326
01:30:32,629 --> 01:30:30,239
weekend so really appreciate you joining

2327
01:30:34,930 --> 01:30:32,639
us uh there is truly something special

2328
01:30:38,090 --> 01:30:34,940
that happens when Mayans get together

2329
01:30:40,070 --> 01:30:38,100
and communicate a new mind just sort of

2330
01:30:43,370 --> 01:30:40,080
emerges right and I think that's what's

2331
01:30:45,890 --> 01:30:43,380
happening here uh these connections are

2332
01:30:48,350 --> 01:30:45,900
so incredibly valuable so thank you for

2333
01:30:50,390 --> 01:30:48,360
taking time to connect with our little

2334
01:30:52,310 --> 01:30:50,400
Network here and uh and to create

2335
01:30:54,770 --> 01:30:52,320
something new with us we really

2336
01:30:55,910 --> 01:30:54,780
appreciate it and uh all of us are big

2337
01:30:58,450 --> 01:30:55,920
fans looking forward to seeing the

2338
01:31:00,950 --> 01:30:58,460
things that you do awesome thanks name

2339
01:31:03,070 --> 01:31:00,960
you know before I get into mine can I

2340
01:31:08,030 --> 01:31:03,080
just get a hey

2341
01:31:09,410 --> 01:31:08,040
man for Dr hargens amen because I'm

2342
01:31:10,910 --> 01:31:09,420
going to tell you and I say Amen

2343
01:31:12,950 --> 01:31:10,920
probably more than any other Jewish

2344
01:31:15,649 --> 01:31:12,960
Italian man but I'll tell you what man

2345
01:31:18,110 --> 01:31:15,659
it's apropos for this situation

2346
01:31:20,330 --> 01:31:18,120
um Dr Sean thank you so much sir I I'm

2347
01:31:22,790 --> 01:31:20,340
glad you came in the cab I hope you

2348
01:31:24,470 --> 01:31:22,800
enjoyed our format we certainly enjoyed

2349
01:31:27,050 --> 01:31:24,480
you

2350
01:31:30,350 --> 01:31:27,060
um and I do have enough questions for a

2351
01:31:32,450 --> 01:31:30,360
part two in the future we'll do it

2352
01:31:34,790 --> 01:31:32,460
absolutely

2353
01:31:36,709 --> 01:31:34,800
um okay thanks DJ and yeah thanks shout

2354
01:31:38,510 --> 01:31:36,719
out to James for connecting us I did a

2355
01:31:40,610 --> 01:31:38,520
great show with him

2356
01:31:42,890 --> 01:31:40,620
um not too long ago so really glad to be

2357
01:31:44,510 --> 01:31:42,900
here yeah I love the format you know

2358
01:31:46,550 --> 01:31:44,520
it's a lot of fun this has probably been

2359
01:31:49,189 --> 01:31:46,560
the funnest conversation I've had

2360
01:31:51,290 --> 01:31:49,199
um enjoy the humor and just the the slap

2361
01:31:53,209 --> 01:31:51,300
stickiness and just the

2362
01:31:55,129 --> 01:31:53,219
um it just it keeps it alive

2363
01:31:56,810 --> 01:31:55,139
um and also it's very heartfelt like it

2364
01:31:59,270 --> 01:31:56,820
really felt

2365
01:32:01,970 --> 01:31:59,280
um just a nice connection with each of

2366
01:32:04,790 --> 01:32:01,980
you and really glad to see you know Deb

2367
01:32:07,490 --> 01:32:04,800
you and Leah here more women need to be

2368
01:32:09,530 --> 01:32:07,500
you know on platforms as part of this um

2369
01:32:12,050 --> 01:32:09,540
conversation I feel like women are

2370
01:32:14,149 --> 01:32:12,060
really underrepresented in this space so

2371
01:32:15,649 --> 01:32:14,159
really glad that this team has both of

2372
01:32:17,870 --> 01:32:15,659
you on it

2373
01:32:19,370 --> 01:32:17,880
um and yeah I really appreciate the

2374
01:32:21,470 --> 01:32:19,380
opportunity to just share you know with

2375
01:32:23,270 --> 01:32:21,480
the world through your audience you know

2376
01:32:24,950 --> 01:32:23,280
some of the things I'm up to and you

2377
01:32:26,930 --> 01:32:24,960
know and just you know I'm excited to

2378
01:32:28,490 --> 01:32:26,940
grow the academic program so if people

2379
01:32:30,050 --> 01:32:28,500
are interested in that reach out you

2380
01:32:32,390 --> 01:32:30,060
know I'd love to have you in the program

2381
01:32:34,570 --> 01:32:32,400
that's launching next week and people

2382
01:32:37,010 --> 01:32:34,580
can you know reach me at Sean

2383
01:32:39,229 --> 01:32:37,020
metaintegral.net so happy to get emails

2384
01:32:41,450 --> 01:32:39,239
and respond and I absolutely look

2385
01:32:43,189 --> 01:32:41,460
forward to being back in the cab and and

2386
01:32:46,129 --> 01:32:43,199
going for another awesome ride with you

2387
01:32:48,290 --> 01:32:46,139
all great I'll tell you what and I want

2388
01:32:50,270 --> 01:32:48,300
to say that yeah uh the female voices

2389
01:32:53,030 --> 01:32:50,280
have been part of cab since day one

2390
01:32:55,189 --> 01:32:53,040
either as guests at the like the 50

2391
01:32:57,530 --> 01:32:55,199
percentile and then we were lucky enough

2392
01:32:59,810 --> 01:32:57,540
to get Deb as uh one of the first and

2393
01:33:02,090 --> 01:32:59,820
and now we have Leah and we'd also like

2394
01:33:05,450 --> 01:33:02,100
to get more people of color and other

2395
01:33:08,209 --> 01:33:05,460
other sort of uh uh people represented

2396
01:33:10,310 --> 01:33:08,219
other other different underrepresented I

2397
01:33:12,350 --> 01:33:10,320
guess you could say American uh

2398
01:33:13,550 --> 01:33:12,360
Americans would like to get more of them

2399
01:33:16,250 --> 01:33:13,560
on here

2400
01:33:19,370 --> 01:33:16,260
um it we badly need those voices as well

2401
01:33:20,750 --> 01:33:19,380
so um I I do yeah I thank you very much

2402
01:33:23,149 --> 01:33:20,760
and I'm glad that you're going to come

2403
01:33:25,430 --> 01:33:23,159
back and join us for more fun

2404
01:33:27,770 --> 01:33:25,440
um we'll try to engage Gary Nolan about

2405
01:33:28,750 --> 01:33:27,780
the potato chip issue find out what his

2406
01:33:32,270 --> 01:33:28,760
choices

2407
01:33:34,490 --> 01:33:32,280
if he says I'm Omni chip then we really

2408
01:33:37,850 --> 01:33:34,500
Nathan we really got to start okay yeah

2409
01:33:39,189 --> 01:33:37,860
well let's dig we'll get with Dr pasolka

2410
01:33:41,689 --> 01:33:39,199
um shortly

2411
01:33:43,610 --> 01:33:41,699
she's got an amazing book coming out in

2412
01:33:45,850 --> 01:33:43,620
the fall on encounters I'm really

2413
01:33:48,649 --> 01:33:45,860
excited oh my God

2414
01:33:51,229 --> 01:33:48,659
it's it's so exciting you know we those

2415
01:33:52,550 --> 01:33:51,239
of us like Nathan and I haven't had I

2416
01:33:54,590 --> 01:33:52,560
don't know if Leah have you had

2417
01:33:56,570 --> 01:33:54,600
experiences

2418
01:33:58,030 --> 01:33:56,580
oh man we could do a whole show on this

2419
01:34:02,510 --> 01:33:58,040
okay okay

2420
01:34:05,510 --> 01:34:02,520
so uh so Leah Debs Davies had an

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experience I really haven't uh had a

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Nathan so it we see are able to connect

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with the phenomenon through others and

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so we value that when we have and you

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just happen to be a PhD and an

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experiencer

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uh so on behalf of uh Dr hargens Davey

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Leah Deb and Nathan this is DJ Singh

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peace out one love we'll see you down

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the road and as always cabbies are

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wondering what's up around the bend